EVA1: Wooden Camera to offer PL mount modification kit for EVA1

Run&Gun said:
But hasn't it been stated that this adapter only works with one lone Angi zoom?
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I think it will work with maybe a dozen of so lenses. Either a few rather expensive Angenieux zooms (in the $20K-$80K price range) or a few converted telephoto still lenses (usually in the 200mm - 400mm range).

So not very useful for most people.

On the flip side, the Wooden Camera PL mount will work with all but a handful of lenses. As in count the fingers on your hands, maybe even on just one hand.
 
Just as an idea:

When you can change the mount, why shouldn't it be possible to add other mounts, too?

The biggest drawback for me is still that I can't use a Speedbooster with EF lenses.
That'd be such a great thing!
 
Erik Wittbusch said:
Just as an idea:

When you can change the mount, why shouldn't it be possible to add other mounts, too?

The biggest drawback for me is still that I can't use a Speedbooster with EF lenses.
That'd be such a great thing!
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I think we could make a Panasonic neutral mounting system on this camera. Just need enough orders to warrant the engineering... Who knows- maybe we could sell it to Panasonic ;-)
 
That's quite interesting!

I'm ready to pay for it as long as it's reasonable.
We should wait, sothat more people own an EVA1 before this makes sense though.

What's "enough orders" in numbers?
 
I've said this before, I believe every modern cine camera should be designed and built with a "neutral", shallow flange depth, user swappable mount system(breech/twist-lock similar to the FZ on the F55/5- NO SCREWS).
 
Erik Wittbusch said:
That's quite interesting!

I'm ready to pay for it as long as it's reasonable.
We should wait, sothat more people own an EVA1 before this makes sense though.

What's "enough orders" in numbers?
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We have designed custom mounts for RED with 20 commitments . But this is a bit more involved...
 
Run&Gun said:
I've said this before, I believe every modern cine camera should be designed and built with a "neutral", shallow flange depth, user swappable mount system(breech/twist-lock similar to the FZ on the F55/5- NO SCREWS).
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I don't think some screws will hold all of us back from changing the mount.
It's a very straighforward process as you see in the video for the PL-Mount.

Panasonic just did not get the idea of a neutral mount.
They have PL for the Varicam family and M4/3 for their M4/3 family.

But a "neutral" mount need to be standard one, too.
I really don't know if a M4/3 mount is big enough to feed the S35 sensor.
I think JVC has done this with their GY-LS300 a few years ago. But codec, colorspace and sensor haven't been on par with the competition.
 
Erik Wittbusch said:
I don't think some screws will hold all of us back from changing the mount.
It's a very straighforward process as you see in the video for the PL-Mount.

Panasonic just did not get the idea of a neutral mount.
They have PL for the Varicam family and M4/3 for their M4/3 family.

But a "neutral" mount need to be standard one, too.
I really don't know if a M4/3 mount is big enough to feed the S35 sensor.
I think JVC has done this with their GY-LS300 a few years ago. But codec, colorspace and sensor haven't been on par with the competition.
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I've used the swappable mount on the VariCam LT(had a demo unit for a month) and it's a pain in the @$$. Now, if you decide to not use the retaining screws, it becomes much more workable... The FZ mount on my F55 is still the best swappable mount system I've personally used.
 
Erik Wittbusch said:
Panasonic just did not get the idea of a neutral mount.
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Oh they get it believe me. They just think they are smarter than their customers and can milk another generation out of it haha
Their marketing just forgets that internet is a two edge sword-gives them great exposure but also calls them out on their schemes....
 
Jacek you can think what you like but it doesn't make it true.

I tested the Wooden Camera PL mount today. Top notch stuff. We're still doing tests but this rocks. Top flight.
 
Hi Mitch,

I think we all have great respect for the people building this camera. No doubt!

But an EF-Mount isn't really the most exciting thing.
It's pretty much a still camera standard that came into video world thanks to Canon's 5D video capabilities.

A real video/film mount is still PL.

Then there are the short focal flange mounts where you can adapt pretty much everything.
Sony's FZ mount and the swappable mount of other cine cams.
And of course E-Mount and mFT in the consumer world.

I think it would be great to have an E-Mount on the EVA1.
But that might just be me.
 
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A replacement mount that is screwed into the camera frame is much stronger and reliable than an adapter system like the Sony FZ, or adapting to a MFT mount, etc. if you need to use two different lens mounting system lenses during a single shoot, then get two cameras, one with each mount. Normally, if yiu are using PL glass, than you would rarely need or want to mount a EF lens in mid show. Yiu would be using either PL or EF lenses to get a IQ match, not mixing them up.
Cheers
 
I think that ship has sailed. The precedence has been set by other camera manufacturers and there is no going back. The owner operators that this camera is aimed at need the flexibility of neutral mounting system to meet todays demands of the clients. They won't buy two identical cameras- they have not from Canon and they certainly won't from Panasonic. The neutral mounting system can be as strong as permanent mount if it is properly engineered. The M4/3 or emount is not it but the FZ mount is..
 
The EVA1 will never get a neutral mount. You would have to chop off the front of the camera to do it. A neutral mount has to be close to the sensor so that there is room to then add various adaptors. The EF mount and Wooden Camera's PL mount are essentially flush with the front housing of the EVA1. No room to put a neutral mount unless you rebuilt the front of the camera. I don't know how realistic or even possible that is, but it would certainly be very expensive. It's not going to happen, at least not from us. That would be a different camera.

If Jacek or anyone else wants to give it a try, be our guests. But don't expect it to come cheap. That is the reality of where we stand today.
 
Denny16 said:
A replacement mount that is screwed into the camera frame is much stronger and reliable than an adapter system like the Sony FZ, or adapting to a MFT mount, etc. if you need to use two different lens mounting system lenses during a single shoot, then get two cameras, one with each mount. Normally, if yiu are using PL glass, than you would rarely need or want to mount a EF lens in mid show. Yiu would be using either PL or EF lenses to get a IQ match, not mixing them up.
Cheers
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I guess it depends on your perspective and what world you live in. Having two cameras laying around for specific mounts is fine in the narrative world, but that's not really how it goes in the broadcast/network ENG world. My primary s35 camera is an F55. It takes literally seconds to swap from PL to EF and vise-versa. And I swap between EF and PL lenses on the same shoot. I have a case full of Canon CN-E primes that are EF mount and I also have the 17-120, which is PL/EF swappable, but it is much better to use as PL mount because of the added strength AND because I get power, data and control through the PL without adding extra cables, like if I were using it as an EF mount lens. Just mount the lens and you're good to go.

The mount is not necessarily tied to and synonymous with the quality of the lens anymore.
 
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Mitch Gross said:
The EVA1 will never get a neutral mount. You would have to chop off the front of the camera to do it. A neutral mount has to be close to the sensor so that there is room to then add various adaptors. The EF mount and Wooden Camera's PL mount are essentially flush with the front housing of the EVA1. No room to put a neutral mount unless you rebuilt the front of the camera. I don't know how realistic or even possible that is, but it would certainly be very expensive. It's not going to happen, at least not from us. That would be a different camera.

If Jacek or anyone else wants to give it a try, be our guests. But don't expect it to come cheap. That is the reality of where we stand today.
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It will be cheaper than buying two cameras. And easier than carrying two cameras....;-)
 
optitek said:
It will be cheaper than buying two cameras. And easier than carrying two cameras....;-)
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I think Mitch's point is pretty clear. If you believe there's a market for such a thing, why not build it and offer it for sale?

There's no use badgering Panasonic about it because, as he said, they are not going to do it.
 
Very Nice, The PL Mount is made of aircraft grade aluminum and includes the PL port cap. Wooden Camera sets the flange focal distance to be correct prior to shipping using collimation tools. To know more about degital services, you may go with Digital Video and Film Lab.
 
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