C300: Will the FS7 finally knock the C300 off it's perch? What will Canon's response be?!!

Well the most interesting thing about this new camera isn't the technology persay but the fact that FINALLY a company is listening to what users want and observing how 3rd party companies had to add on all sorts of gadgets to get a steady shot. All of us wanted....higher frame rates - check....better ergonomics - check.....4k for future proofing - check....and all at under $10,000. It is my dream camera for pushing Canon to now respond....stop pi$$ing around and put all these features in the C100/C300 followup in a year or so. Then that will be my ULTIMATE camera.
 
To me the FS7 is the first camera that shoots quality high frame rate slow-motion for when I need it, and has 4K for when I need it, at under 10k. The FS700 had a little bit of interest for me before, but with a weak codec and worse image quality than a C100 it never really got interesting enough to purchase. So while the FS7 may theoretically not be able to achieve the same color quality as a C100, or require more post work to get good colors, it does do some things the C100 isn't possibly capable of which makes it desirable.



Joshua_G said:
Eric Coughlin said:
Skintones...
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Are they graded, or out from the cameras?
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Straight out of my own cameras. These were all super quick turn around projects with no budget for grading.
 
Sony has learned a lot of things from the C300. One of them is to launch in the fall and tie up everyones money for that year prior to NAB. :)
 
i dont think sony products will make Canon run somewhere, i dont know what is the situation in usa, but here locally - people really hate sony, and mostly its about their colors. i spoke with all local rental houses, and with several producer and with many pro operators (not wedding guys, but operators on big projects with good budgets - advertisement, movies, music clips), and just as 1 they all just hate sony! last month i rented out my c300 for 1 tv series pilot, and i was operator assistant on that project as well..... and asked about sony again - same thing.... sony? no no....

yes there are other cams and cheaper cams - black magic for example, shoots 10 or 12 bits bla bla and raw, my c300 cant do it, and in fact for the money i got from that project, they could easelly buy BM, but there is a reasons why they prefer to use c300... and i am sure we all c users know these reasons....

also there maybe a reason why sony shows new cams like every year - i believe its because non of them are working good enough...
 
Yes I believe you but surely they must answer soon about upgrade to a 4k Camera in and around this price bracket. They prob had it planned anyway as the 4k followup to the C cameras but now that they see High Frame Rates & 60p for HD too....I think this will ensure they have to include them in the next camera.
 
anatusa said:
but there is a reasons why they prefer to use c300... and i am sure we all c users know these reasons....
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There is one good reason why the C300 is preferred for series and its all about cost. 50mb 422 8bit that plays nice with Avid and is a good file size. Storage and media cost money. Don't get me wrong the C300 puts out a top notch image but that isn't the number one reason why its been such a success as opposed to Sony, Panasonic etc cams. Canon was the first large chip camcorder to hit the broadcast codec spot on. They will take a C300 over a C100 w ninja for these same reasons. Great codec. Less space. Little hassle. works well with existing post processes. Lets see how the FS7 does after a year or so on the market. Its the first offering since the C300 that hits the right buttons. For me the ergos fix a lot of the things I disliked about the C300 when on the shoulder. I had been renting the C300 the last year and will be buying an FS7 when its released. It covers all of the type of work I do in a nice form factor. Being able to get 4K 10bit internal is huge for me as an aquisition format.

anatusa said:
also there maybe a reason why sony shows new cams like every year - i believe its because non of them are working good enough...
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That is a pretty bold statement. Almost trollish. Sony makes some great cameras and they've made some duds.
 
I think for Documentary work, the FS7 could be the "it" camera that the C300 has been. When doing TRUE documentary (unlike reality television) filming you are often not in control of the environment and the speed things unfold. The advantages of 4K are besides future-proofing, ability to crop in post. This means you might not have to change lenses to get a close-up. Or maybe something happened that you didn't quite capture with the proper framing. With 4K you have some leeway to reframe shots. Interviews would be great with 4K if you need to cut you can refreame a closer shot. 60P is a good frame rate for documentary, you can output 30P, 24P and get decent 50% slow-motion without having to know you want to shoot slow-motion. Shoulder-mount is great when shooting all day. At the end of a day, I get fatigued holding the C300. Out comes the monopod whether it makes sense or not. I'm not 100% sold on the handle, but it's interesting. For my organization, for some events I would try to eliminate a photographer. Nothing more annoying than flashes and shutter sounds. With 4K you can get a much better still than 1080P.

Will I get an FS7? Probably not. The C300 is adequate and I'm not sure I can justify switching camera's at this point. If I were buying a new camera, I think I'd have to give the edge to the FS7.
 
For me the specs do not count so much even I would love to get 4K to ease framing and lens choice (I do mostly wildlife) but I need lots of you to test the FS7 out first before I turn in my C100 and Ninja. Tools you know how works and react, both to light but also climate, is worth more than 4K (as long as customers do not require 4K) Im really hoping the FS7 will get popular, so I can get a cheep C500 ;) Big lenses on the FS7 is also a concern for me - talking up in the 600mm end. I will rent on as soon as it gets out, but i´m not convinced it will make my workdays easier.
 
Waaas reading earlier, just chiming in on the 'color' preference topic.

Preference is the name of the game, we all know.

The main thing for me, is I have found it difficult to jump back and forth between cameras. They all respond to light differently. They all have different pros and cons. While any camera can look good with the right setup, it is being able to respond to the environment with a camera. In a way, the camera trains us how to see. And then we interpret the world by it.
 
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