Why shoot 30P?

David Jimerson said:
Assuming you mean you want to shoot 30p for slo-mo when the rest of your footage is 24p, you would edit on a 24p timeline, and then slow the 30p footage down to 80%.
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Nope. I mean I want to shoot 30p and incorporate slo-mo. What is the best way to go about it. Eventually I'd like to shoot 24 but as a new editor I believe staying away from 24 (until I get some experience) will make my life easier
 
If you want to shoot and edit your whole project at 30p, and you want certain shots to be in slow-mo, shoot those particular shots at 60i and then drop them in the timeline at 50% playback rate.
 
Barry_Green said:
If you want to shoot and edit your whole project at 30p, and you want certain shots to be in slow-mo, shoot those particular shots at 60i and then drop them in the timeline at 50% playback rate.
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Thanks Barry. Now another question about this. From my understanding interchanging scene files with progressive settings (30p 24p) is not a problem. But how about my situation when I need to mix 30p and 60i? It is not as simple as turning progressive off is it? I'm trying to keep the 'look' as close as possible. My 30p scene file mimicks the 'film look' somewhat. Suggestions?
 
EDIT: you know I bought this camera to avoid deinterlacing. I'd hate to deinterlace if I don't have to.

So maybe ill bite the bullet and just learn how to edit 24p(a)

If someone can provide a fairly simple workflow where I can shoot all progressive and incorporate slo-mo it would be appreciated.

My delivery will be web (VOD), dowloadable clips and DVDs.

Thanks
 
But how about my situation when I need to mix 30p and 60i? It is not as simple as turning progressive off is it?
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Yes, turn progressive "off", but you'll also have to adjust exposure by one stop.
 
ihatedv said:
If someone can provide a fairly simple work flow where I can shoot ALL progressive and incorporate slo-mo it would be appreciated.

My delivery will be web (VOD), dowloadable clips and DVDs.

Thanks
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Anything on this Barry?
 
The only way you can do that, and have it be smooth, is to shoot 30p and slow it to 80% on a 24p timeline. Any other way, and you'll pay the price somewhere.
 
David Jimerson said:
The only way you can do that, and have it be smooth, is to shoot 30p and slow it to 80% on a 24p timeline. Any other way, and you'll pay the price somewhere.
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OIC. So 80% will be the minimum without sacrificing smoothness?

Summary:
Shoot 24p in a 24p timebase? When I need slo-mo shoot 30p?
 
If you want to do it with all progressive footage, that's the way you need to do it, yes. 80% will not only be the minimum, it'll be the only option which will not require frame interpolation.
 
David Jimerson said:
If you want to do it with all progressive footage, that's the way you need to do it, yes. 80% will not only be the minimum, it'll be the only option which will not require frame interpolation.
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ok last time i promise, i have a shoot tomorrow. i want to shoot squeeze, in addition shoot 24p not 24pa right? and shoot the slo-mo scenes in 30p right?

delivery will be streaming (video on demand), downloadable clips and DVDs
 
ihatedv said:
ok last time i promise, i have a shoot tomorrow. i want to shoot squeeze, in addition shoot 24p not 24pa right? and shoot the slo-mo scenes in 30p right?

delivery will be streaming (video on demand), downloadable clips and DVDs
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Get over the hump and learn to deal with 24pA. There are threads and stickies all over the place around here that tell you how to ingest and edit with 24pA footage. It's really not that difficult. Which NLE are you using, by the way?

If you shoot in straight 24p, you're still going to be working with interlaced frames that will show up on Internet playback. 24pA, once the pull-down is removed, has no interlaced frames.

Furthermore, if you are working with 24p (pull-down removed) you can shoot in 60i for the slow-mo shots and conform it to your 23.976 time line for slow-mo at 40% playback speed. There are several tutorials on the 'Net about this.

Both Internet and DVD can handle 24p footage as well.
 
Ok, ill grow-up on this. Don't have it yet, but later this week ill have the latest version of PPro, the whole CS4 suite.
 
So I did my shoot the other day. 24pa and sure enough I forgot to switch to 30p for the slo-mo stuff. Yesterday I captured the footage and noticed a couple of things. Firstly I slowed the footage 50% in ppo 1.5 and it looked amazing. no jitters, studders whatsoever, so I'm not sure what the big stink was about. (Perhaps once I render I'll get different results?)

The other thing is the image quality. VERY grainy (noise). I shot with the stock F6 scene file, plenty of light (outdoors). I've been doing some searching and can possibly blame it on ppro, I hear in the sequence monitor, viewing footage sometimes looks terrible, but once rendered it will be better.

We shall see.
 
PP 1.5 was one of the worst implementations of 24p support, so it may be the problem, yes. It was corrected with 2.0 and beyond.
 
30p is perfect for straight-to-internet videos. Great motion that still retains film-like qualities, and of course no de-interlacing necessary on computer monitors. Also it looks great when upscaled for youtube HD.
 
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