Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
This has opened up a kind of Pandora's box for me. I had not watched the re-mastered version of the original since it was released, (Empire gets a spin every six months or so), so i watched it tonight.
For starters, Lucas slavery to the visual at the expense of anything else was underscored to me in two ways. First he put in that scene with Han and Jabba. Since Han is my favorite character, I thought it was kind of cool. Lucas obviously planned to include it in the original since he shot the scene with Ford. The technology didn't exist to make it work, so he cut it. I have no problem with a "director's cut" being closer to the original vision, so I didn't mind it. Sort of like the plantation scene in Apocalypse Now. Didn't help the plot, but it didn't hurt either. Until they go to leave and Han says that they are in kind of a rush. The fact that he talked to Jabba removes any sense of urgency. Why is he in a rush? In the old version I just assumed that he was in a rush because of Greedo. Either he figured Greedo found him, so someone else might, or one of Greedo's buddies was after him. Now there's no reason to rush. He has no idea that the Empire is so hot on Luke's tail. Nobody will come after him if he has Jabba's blessing.
Second, the audio for the dialogue is all over the friggin place. Not just the obvious ADR, but even the levels. Some scenes sound like they have two or more versions of ambience and room tone. WTF?
Oh, and why do we have to see Biggs all of a sudden? How does that move the story forward. The other "eye candy" Jorge chucked in there is pointless, but also pretty benign to me.
But, moving on from that, the internet comparison between Ep 1 and Ep 4 had me looking at this with a more critical eye and i definitely found some flaws.
1) Why is it the Death Star can fly across the galaxy at light speed to arrive at Yavin almost right behind our intrepid group of heroes, yet it has to orbit the planet to get in firing range? Why didn't it just put on the brakes a little closer to the rebel post?
2) Why is it that Luke can't understand R2 in the beginning of the movie, but he can at the end? I mean, he's been around droids all of his life. If he was going to be able to understand them, he would have been able to at the beginning of the movie.
3) Why is it that R2 can access what would probably be confidential files, like the location and disposition of an important prisoner, can activate and de-activate various essential parts of the Death Star's infrastructure, but it can't turn off the tractor beam? The switch is neither locked, nor guarded, because Obi Wan just walks up to it and turns it off. It's obviously not a security issue.
4) If Han Solo is wanted, why is he hanging out at the most notorious saloon in the town. You know, the one where all the best freighter pilots hang out? Isn't that kind of dumb? I mean, hell, why is he even on Tatooine? This one wasn't a big deal in the old version, because it never occurred to me that Jabba was on Tatooine. Well, at least not until Jedi. I just figured that Greedo tracked him across the system or something. Nope, Jabba's like a block away and Han is sitting there trying to shack up with the furry guy in the Mercury 7 spacesuit. Dumb.
There are more, but my point is that as obvious as some of these are to me now, none of them really matter. Why? Because the movie is good enough regarding plot, character engagement and momentum that you just blow past them. You just don't care enough about the flaws because you are involved in the story. Exact opposite of Ep 1-3.
Finally I wanted to address some issues that don't really match up between the 2 trilogies. Some of these were unavoidable since Lucas could not have known he would get to make all 6 films, and he (presumably) treated the first film as being self-contained with just a little bit of a possibility of a sequel. I am sure these have been chatted about on fan sites all over cyberspace, but I will list them anyway, because if I am suffering, so will you :beer:
1) Obi Wan in the original film is to old to be the same guy. Obi Wan in Sith is about 30. 35 if you really push it. That's when Luke and Leia are born, so you figure about 20 years have gone by (I'm sure somebody on this site knows the exact amount of years in the mythos, but I don't) Anyway, that would make Obi-Wan in Star Wars about 50-55. No way. I'm six years shy of 50 and if I look like Alec Guinness in that movie in six years, just shoot me.
2) Why does Obi-Wan call Darth Vader "Darth"? Wouldn't he call him Anakin? He's never known him as Darth Vader (at least not as far as I know). I also don't get why he lies about Vader/Anakin and says Vader killed him. i know it's a metaphor, but he makes them sound like two different people that he knew very well. But that's another issue.
3) Why does Obi-Wan not remember R2? I know he says he didn't remember owning a droid, but after all they went through together, wouldn't he remember him? Unless he looks so old and lost his memory because of some unknown space disease.
4) Why does Obi Wan (yes, i know I am picking on him) say that he hasn't gone by Obi-Wan since before Luke was born? That's not true, is it? I only watched Sith the one time because I didn't want to put my retina through that pile of crap again, but unless he changed his name at the end of the movie to Ben and I missed it, he was still Obi-Wan...
I'm just saying this because if Lucas paid as much attention to this stuff as he did to adding one more line of Stormtroopers into the hangar bay, he might be able to make a better movie. He could have cast Liam Neeson as Obi-Wan and gotten rid of Qui-Gon. I would have bought him being Alec Guinness in 20 years.
I know I am just rambling now. Apologies. I just feel like I have left one of the most formative experiences of my youth at the doorstep to be blown down the street.
For starters, Lucas slavery to the visual at the expense of anything else was underscored to me in two ways. First he put in that scene with Han and Jabba. Since Han is my favorite character, I thought it was kind of cool. Lucas obviously planned to include it in the original since he shot the scene with Ford. The technology didn't exist to make it work, so he cut it. I have no problem with a "director's cut" being closer to the original vision, so I didn't mind it. Sort of like the plantation scene in Apocalypse Now. Didn't help the plot, but it didn't hurt either. Until they go to leave and Han says that they are in kind of a rush. The fact that he talked to Jabba removes any sense of urgency. Why is he in a rush? In the old version I just assumed that he was in a rush because of Greedo. Either he figured Greedo found him, so someone else might, or one of Greedo's buddies was after him. Now there's no reason to rush. He has no idea that the Empire is so hot on Luke's tail. Nobody will come after him if he has Jabba's blessing.
Second, the audio for the dialogue is all over the friggin place. Not just the obvious ADR, but even the levels. Some scenes sound like they have two or more versions of ambience and room tone. WTF?
Oh, and why do we have to see Biggs all of a sudden? How does that move the story forward. The other "eye candy" Jorge chucked in there is pointless, but also pretty benign to me.
But, moving on from that, the internet comparison between Ep 1 and Ep 4 had me looking at this with a more critical eye and i definitely found some flaws.
1) Why is it the Death Star can fly across the galaxy at light speed to arrive at Yavin almost right behind our intrepid group of heroes, yet it has to orbit the planet to get in firing range? Why didn't it just put on the brakes a little closer to the rebel post?
2) Why is it that Luke can't understand R2 in the beginning of the movie, but he can at the end? I mean, he's been around droids all of his life. If he was going to be able to understand them, he would have been able to at the beginning of the movie.
3) Why is it that R2 can access what would probably be confidential files, like the location and disposition of an important prisoner, can activate and de-activate various essential parts of the Death Star's infrastructure, but it can't turn off the tractor beam? The switch is neither locked, nor guarded, because Obi Wan just walks up to it and turns it off. It's obviously not a security issue.
4) If Han Solo is wanted, why is he hanging out at the most notorious saloon in the town. You know, the one where all the best freighter pilots hang out? Isn't that kind of dumb? I mean, hell, why is he even on Tatooine? This one wasn't a big deal in the old version, because it never occurred to me that Jabba was on Tatooine. Well, at least not until Jedi. I just figured that Greedo tracked him across the system or something. Nope, Jabba's like a block away and Han is sitting there trying to shack up with the furry guy in the Mercury 7 spacesuit. Dumb.
There are more, but my point is that as obvious as some of these are to me now, none of them really matter. Why? Because the movie is good enough regarding plot, character engagement and momentum that you just blow past them. You just don't care enough about the flaws because you are involved in the story. Exact opposite of Ep 1-3.
Finally I wanted to address some issues that don't really match up between the 2 trilogies. Some of these were unavoidable since Lucas could not have known he would get to make all 6 films, and he (presumably) treated the first film as being self-contained with just a little bit of a possibility of a sequel. I am sure these have been chatted about on fan sites all over cyberspace, but I will list them anyway, because if I am suffering, so will you :beer:
1) Obi Wan in the original film is to old to be the same guy. Obi Wan in Sith is about 30. 35 if you really push it. That's when Luke and Leia are born, so you figure about 20 years have gone by (I'm sure somebody on this site knows the exact amount of years in the mythos, but I don't) Anyway, that would make Obi-Wan in Star Wars about 50-55. No way. I'm six years shy of 50 and if I look like Alec Guinness in that movie in six years, just shoot me.
2) Why does Obi-Wan call Darth Vader "Darth"? Wouldn't he call him Anakin? He's never known him as Darth Vader (at least not as far as I know). I also don't get why he lies about Vader/Anakin and says Vader killed him. i know it's a metaphor, but he makes them sound like two different people that he knew very well. But that's another issue.
3) Why does Obi-Wan not remember R2? I know he says he didn't remember owning a droid, but after all they went through together, wouldn't he remember him? Unless he looks so old and lost his memory because of some unknown space disease.
4) Why does Obi Wan (yes, i know I am picking on him) say that he hasn't gone by Obi-Wan since before Luke was born? That's not true, is it? I only watched Sith the one time because I didn't want to put my retina through that pile of crap again, but unless he changed his name at the end of the movie to Ben and I missed it, he was still Obi-Wan...
I'm just saying this because if Lucas paid as much attention to this stuff as he did to adding one more line of Stormtroopers into the hangar bay, he might be able to make a better movie. He could have cast Liam Neeson as Obi-Wan and gotten rid of Qui-Gon. I would have bought him being Alec Guinness in 20 years.
I know I am just rambling now. Apologies. I just feel like I have left one of the most formative experiences of my youth at the doorstep to be blown down the street.
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