GH2 Why do we need a GH3? Isn't the GH2 enough? What should Panasonic do for GH3?
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Sage
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Danielvilliers
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Sincerely, omly for block busters I think the camera from the hacked gh2...fs100...f3 are good enough for the indie/low budget world. The problem is that they are going so much toward red because they have an inferiority complex. Hey they need 4k, raw workflow etc, etc... but in the end if you can't do nice image with the gh2 then you won't be able with a higer-end camera. The higherend camera will make a beautiful image better, but won't make a bad one become beautiful. The gh2 is perhaps the tipping point of trully cinematic camera at an afordable cost. A camera that can be projected on the big screen for less than $ 1000. I did not put the C300 above because I have my reserve for the price point of the c300.
jburke14
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I THINK WHAT YOUR ASKING FOR IS slightly out of the price range for the sub 1000$ GH2. You can't find a lot of those features on cameras 10-20 times its cost.
My issue with your angst towards the GH2 is your reasoning. SURE we all would love to shoot on the BEST possible format. But Cost is the limiting factor in most of the people commenting here. If your working with clients and for strictly commercial purposes sure you need a safety net and this ultra clean FAKE looking image/product. But if your doing narrative work, for say independent filmmaking, then I see those issues your stating as part of the cameras artistic rendering. Use the tool as a tool. Work within its limits and the limits of your wallet$.
Again it comes down to what you are. Are you an Artist or a commercial technician/businessman? An Artist works within the limits of his medium. A commercial technician wants a spit shine flawless sheen without chance of failure. I have an AF100 for more client work, because its safer and easier for commercial stuff (not to say i love the image quality). I wouldn't shoot a narrative on it versus GH2. I think the GH2 dominates it in terms of picture quality in most aspects.
Do we stop watching older movies because they don't look as good as current RED 8k/ALEXA films? Are the classics less valid because they don't look as clean and they have grain/flaws?
We all want better cheaper camera quality. BUT I garuntee that if somehting is done with artistic merits that people want to see, the camera wont matter at the end of the day.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF I have the chance to shoot on ALEXA, RED 4k, 8k, I would over the GH2 or GH3, etc.. but.. I don't think bashing a 800$ camera image quality, is the right approach.
I think we all want and need something different, and I think its amazing that Panasonic listens at all! LOL..If you can afford the better cameras that solve all your issues, by all means use that gear. But lets not go wishing for things that are really unrealistic expectations at this price point and stop bashing a sub 1000$ camera that does pretty good against cameras 10x its price range...
BUT IF I HAD TO ASK FOR ANYTHING... it would just be a flatter profile more suitable for grading, and maybe slow motion like on the Af100.. Only things I miss from the AF100 to the GH2..
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jimmykorea
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I want the price to be higher I would be willing to pay 3-5,000 if the GH3 morphed into a professional tool with a global shutter etc. Under $1,000 is too low to expect any major improvement, hell even the GH1 cost more than that when it came out, hellooooo inflation. There are plenty of options if you want a flawed camera for the web, film school etc. The panasonic wouldn't have to worry about its high end line if it ups the price and spec as well.
james thorpe
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If you want to pay more..i would split the GH into the regular GH3 and either GH3X or a different name.
The way Panny has developed and grown this cam has been perfect. For Sub 1K, i hope there is 1080/60, improved LCD, and codec.
Beyond that would be awesome. But i would make it an entirely different line if the price-point is 3-5K range. That is basically AF100.
The way Panny has developed and grown this cam has been perfect. For Sub 1K, i hope there is 1080/60, improved LCD, and codec.
Beyond that would be awesome. But i would make it an entirely different line if the price-point is 3-5K range. That is basically AF100.
jburke14
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It would be interesting to see a high end cam like that. I'm not sure how Panasonic would feel about it. Its probably all about price point. Isn't what your suggesting kind of like an AF100. Isn't that their idea of what your suggesting. A Pro large sensor camcorder with waveform/overcrank/ND built in/ etc? Maybe they should be improving that camera... in order to fulfill your/our needs?
jburke14
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Agreed about the AF100. but, it has many flaws that could be corrected. I liked it for a year then I bought the GH2. Give us better 1080p resolution(no mud), keep framerates, custom picture profiles and a RAW possibility... like with an external recorder. I love color grading and I hate being limited in that regard.
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Perhaps, the question should be, 'Why is anyone still waiting for another Panasonic GH camera - given the unimpressive history of the GH1 & GH2?'
Let's face it - the GH1 had already slidden in to obscurity, due to its lack-lustre codec, when VK hacked it, and for a while transformed into a hot 'must-have' gadget.
The GH2 was a monumentally second-rate successor to the hacked GH1 - desirable only because of its HDMI monitor output.
Build quality was even cheaper than the GH1 - and, more importantly, it was immediately dogged by the same sort of sensor problems that plagued the GH1.
Panasonic have had well over a year to address the banding issue - yet remain tight lipped on the subject (although it is impossible to believe that they are not fully aware of it - and have been since before the camera was launched)
Now, all hopes are fastened on a GH3.
Personally, I feel that [i) it's wrong for Panasonic to ignore sensor problems and tacitly encourage people to buy 'the next good thing', and [ii] I personally wouldn't bet the price of ten cigarettes on Panasonic producing a 'good' sensor.
The GH1 was flawed, the GH2 was flawed - yet, bothers & sisters, suspend your disbelief, put your money into the offering bag, and have faith in that technological miracle that's coming....
Nah, no thanks - there are now alternatives that are proven to be as good/better, and which don't require a leap of faith and a generous contribution to Panasonic profitability
azonicbruce
Active member
My personal wishlist:
- 1080p120 (Would be happy with 60 but let's cut to the chase)
- Headphone jack/Audio monitoring
- Longer battery life (currently it's abysmal)
- Better low-light performance
- Better stabilization
- More custom function modes
Come along now, don't be shy.
I'm no brand victim. I will buy...
Please name these sub $1000 alternatives and list their proven matching / superior attributes.
Russiana007
Active member
GH2 not good enough, Red not good enough. OMG are you imax! Remember, it's not the hammer, its the nails!
Well, the last time I mentioned an alternative my post was summarily removed by a GH2 disciple.
However, if I can offer a small clue, 'Seven is closer to heaven, and makes GH2 appear like poo'
Can ya dig it? (as they used to say on BBC Radio 1 when I was a young lad... Oh, Lord!, please let me go back to 1971! - I'll do things *very* differently second time around! )
On a serious note - much of the GH2 hysteria (and, imo, it *is* hysteria) is promulgated by a retinue of brain-dead cultists who know no other mantra than, 'GH2 is the finest camera ever to be sent down to earth from the presence of Lord Krishna'
Well (and you can burn me alive for my heresy) it ain't.
The GH1 hack was a great step forward, and it freed a crippled camera from some of the constraints applied by Panasonic.
The GH2 hack, in comparison is (I'm afraid) something of a damp squib.
There's a distinct hierarchy involved.
The lofty top tier is occupied by a foreign gentleman who seems to believe that his undoubted coding ability endows him with the right to be as rude as possible.
Then comes a lesser tier - 'Priests' of the cult, if you like, who use the foreign gentleman's work to come up with increasingly bizarre and outlandish 'patches' - some of which appear to actually damage the camera!
They hang onto the foreign gentleman's coat tails in a an attempt to accrue some of the glory for themselves - but they are not the authors of the Holy Writ, merely scribes and pen-pushers who reassemble the holy words into any form that might bring them applause.
Then, at the bottom, are the faithful. They who worship the Foreign Gentleman and the scribes - gravely discussing topics that they, clearly, have no comprehension of, and which might as well have been imparted to them in Swahili.
Bottom line? - all this worship is extremely puzzling, directed as it it is at a cheap plastic camera that can't take a decent low light image to save its own soul....
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True - but when the head keeps coming off the hammer, flying through the air and breaking the windows of client properties, even the most ham-fisted carpenter can be forgiven for blaming his tools.....
Russiana007
Active member
Well, the last time I mentioned an alternative my post was summarily removed by a GH2 disciple.
However, if I can offer a small clue, 'Seven is closer to heaven, and makes GH2 appear like poo'
Can ya dig it? (as they used to say on Radio 1 when I was a young lad...)
On a serious note - much of the GH2 hysteria (and, imo, it *is* hysteria) is promulgated by a retinue of brain-dead cultists who know no other mantra than, 'GH2 is the finest camera ever to be sent down to earth from the presence of Lord Krishna'
Well (and you can burn me alive for my heresy) it ain't.
The GH1 hack was a great step forward, and it freed a crippled camera from some of the constraints applied by Panasonic.
The GH2 hack, in comparison is (I'm afraid) something of a damp squib.
There's a distinct hierarchy involved.
The lofty top tier is occupied by a foreign gentleman who seems to believe that his undoubted coding ability endows him with the right to be as rude as possible.
Then comes a lesser tier - 'Priests' of the cult, if you like, who use the foreign gentleman's work to come up with increasingly bizarre and outlandish 'patches' - some of which appear to actually damage the camera!
They hang onto the foreign gentleman's coat tails in a an attempt to accrue some of the glory for themselves - but they are not the authors of the Holy Writ, merely scribes and pen-pushers who reassemble the holy words into any form that might bring them applause.
Then, at the bottom, are the faithful. They who worship the Foreign Gentleman and the scribes - gravely discussing topics that they, clearly, have no comprehension of, and which might as well have been imparted to them in Swahili.
Bottom line? - all this worship is extremely puzzling, directed as it it is at a cheap plastic camera that can't take a decent low light image to save its own soul....
What!
Simplified version:
There's a Czar, Ministers of the Czar - and a peasant rabble who think and believe whatever they are told to think and believe....
Trucci
Well-known member
Vitaliy can be pretty rude, but why the need to marginalize him as a foreigner? You'd be a foreigner in his country as much as he'd be a foreigner in yours. This is an international forum with people from all over the world. Oh I forgot, everyone who doesn't speak English as their native language is a foreigner.
...I have no idea what Framerate is talking about ?
I sold all my Canon gear ( a 60D and few good fast lenses ) after owning my GH-2 for a couple of months, because I knew I was never going to shoot video with a Canon DSLR ever again. ( the C300 looks great, but it's way out of my budget )
I've seen posts with frame grabs of the GH-2 banding problem, but I haven't experienced it firsthand on any of my paid shoots so far. And the GH-2 hacks have raised the bar to another level for me. Maybe I'm just lucky...
I sold all my Canon gear ( a 60D and few good fast lenses ) after owning my GH-2 for a couple of months, because I knew I was never going to shoot video with a Canon DSLR ever again. ( the C300 looks great, but it's way out of my budget )
I've seen posts with frame grabs of the GH-2 banding problem, but I haven't experienced it firsthand on any of my paid shoots so far. And the GH-2 hacks have raised the bar to another level for me. Maybe I'm just lucky...
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jimmykorea
Guest
Honestly I find the AF100 a joke. Its seems like the main camera companies saw what was happening with DSLR's and just sliced their cameras in half and stuck an interchangable lens connection.
Actually what I'm saying is to beef the GH2 up to closer to what the Scarlet was going to be. The form factor of the GH2 is great I just wish they would spend some money on pusing the image, maybe global shutter maybe just a lot faster processing and more expensive sensor. Why is it RED has such great sensors can't the others make something similar? And yeah probably like someone mentioned the GH could split into a pro model and basic model though I guess they already have that with the GX range.
Anyway I'm hoping for a more stable image and better dynamic range in the GH3 i'm not that fussy about anything else though beefed up audio capabilities would be nice along with a headphone socket. In a nutshell I see Panasonic has a chance to fill the gap that the Scarlet Fixed would of satisfied or at least get close to it and if it costs 5,000 for a camera with a sensor that will give the improvements then so be it. It would sell a lot I think.
stoneinapond
Veteran
Well, the last time I mentioned an alternative my post was summarily removed by a GH2 disciple.
However, if I can offer a small clue, 'Seven is closer to heaven, and makes GH2 appear like poo'
Can ya dig it? (as they used to say on BBC Radio 1 when I was a young lad... Oh, Lord!, please let me go back to 1971! - I'll do things *very* differently second time around! )
On a serious note - much of the GH2 hysteria (and, imo, it *is* hysteria) is promulgated by a retinue of brain-dead cultists who know no other mantra than, 'GH2 is the finest camera ever to be sent down to earth from the presence of Lord Krishna'
Well (and you can burn me alive for my heresy) it ain't.
The GH1 hack was a great step forward, and it freed a crippled camera from some of the constraints applied by Panasonic.
The GH2 hack, in comparison is (I'm afraid) something of a damp squib.
There's a distinct hierarchy involved.
The lofty top tier is occupied by a foreign gentleman who seems to believe that his undoubted coding ability endows him with the right to be as rude as possible.
Then comes a lesser tier - 'Priests' of the cult, if you like, who use the foreign gentleman's work to come up with increasingly bizarre and outlandish 'patches' - some of which appear to actually damage the camera!
They hang onto the foreign gentleman's coat tails in a an attempt to accrue some of the glory for themselves - but they are not the authors of the Holy Writ, merely scribes and pen-pushers who reassemble the holy words into any form that might bring them applause.
Then, at the bottom, are the faithful. They who worship the Foreign Gentleman and the scribes - gravely discussing topics that they, clearly, have no comprehension of, and which might as well have been imparted to them in Swahili.
Bottom line? - all this worship is extremely puzzling, directed as it it is at a cheap plastic camera that can't take a decent low light image to save its own soul....
So who pissed in your beer? :shocked: