Who's a vegetarian?

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I went out with a vegan once, she used to get dizzy and fall over a lot... it was one of those funny-but-not things.

I have nothing against vegetarians, I just can't understand how they avoid eating meat all the time. If I smell bacon sizzling away, see a juicy medium-rare steak sitting next to some mushrooms, or spot a rack of roast lamb being carved up - I HAVE to eat meat, I have no control over the impulse. I just have to.
 
the finest thing i have ever eaten in my life was barbecued octopus. The second best thing was a salad i had in italy. Right after that, a steak i had in North Carolina.

I am a equal oppertunity eater. there is room for all gods creatures, Animal, plant or hydrogenated in my stomach. :)
 
Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. ~Albert Einstein
 
I guess that depends on which life you mean. The survival of the bovine species, for example, would be greatly impaired by universal vegetarianism.
 
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I'm a level 5 vegan -- I won't eat anything that casts a shadow.
 
someday said:
...all the rest.
Many scientists (ok, science is like fashion, always changing..) agree that humans are not meant to eat meat and fish. Our digestive system is perfect for vegetarian habits, not for the rest.
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We are definitely omnivores. Even though I'm a veg, there is no disputing that we evolved eating some type of flesh. However we were not meant to eat the quantities that the average person eats. A simple look at our very long small intestine (roughly 3 times your height) moves us in the direction of the herbivore, although we lack the ability to digest cellulose (fiber) since our gut flora doesn't include the symbiotic protozoans that have the ability to break down leaves and other fibrous plant parts, but we have no problem with starches and fruits. Our dentition is definitely slanted toward the grinding type of most vegetarians. We lack the impressive canines of a true carnivore: dog, cat, ferret, etc.

In fact cats are called obligate carnivores since they need to have meat to live properly. They have a very intense digestive system with a much shorter intestine than a herbivore, and their waste is very well digested and they don't get polyps like humans do ( I know since I work with bobcats). They also have specialized dentition called carnassial teeth. On top of the typical carnivore's "canine teeth" they have specially adapted molars that meet like scissors to easily slice through meat and break open bones.
However, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't eat a steak if you want to. Just watch the quantities and don't buy the hormone and antibiotic ridden stuff at most typical food stores. I remember the taste difference when I was younger. An unhealthy animal makes a bad tasting meal.
 
Vegetarianism is the practice of not consuming the flesh of any animal (including sea animals) with or without also eschewing other animal derivatives, such as dairy products or eggs. Some vegetarians also choose to refrain from wearing clothing that has involved the death of animals, such as leather and fur.

Veganism excludes all animal products from diet and in some definitions from attire also, whether or not the production of clothing or items has involved the actual death of an animal (dairy, eggs, honey, wool, silk, down feathers, etc.).

The first "Vegetarian Society" founded in 1847 claims to have "created the word vegetarian from the Latin 'vegetus' meaning 'lively' (which is how these early vegetarians claimed their diet made them feel) ..." People have varied motivations for adhering to such a diet including religious, cultural, ethical, aesthetic, environmental, social, economic, health, political, and personal concerns.

And yes, I'm technically a vegetarian (though I love eating vegan food often). I really hate the label. I just eat what I like to eat.

Grug said:
I went out with a vegan once, she used to get dizzy and fall over a lot... it was one of those funny-but-not things.
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That's the sign of an unblanced diet - vegan or not vegan.
 
All I can say is, as a meat eater, I hate eating with a vegetarian.

"How about here?"

"No, it's all meat"

"Here?"

"All I can have is bread. How about the vegetarian restaurant?"

"Kill me"

My sister is vegetarian. It's frustrating.

I Looooove my steaks, and my pork, and my lamb and turkey and chicken and duck... mmmmmm
 
I am a meatatarian. I am morally opposed to the slaughter of innocent vegetables.

MattinSTL said:
The thing that blows my mind in this topic... as well as all the other hot button issues is the way people express their feelings on it... and the utter lack of logic. People hate logic when it puts their own view in question. Both ways.
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Add hypocrisy to the list of qualities separating us from the other animals.

Although in all fairness, logic is merely an instrument that can be used for stupid ends, as well as smart ones.

[quote="weston']Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. ~Albert Einstein[/quote]

Einstein wasn't right about everything. Ask Niels "Three-Steaks-a-Day" Bohr.


I'd love to open a resort for people to come and experience The Hunter-Gatherer Diet. Upon arrival, guests are stripped naked, driven into the woods, and told that they are welcome to eat whatever they can harvest, catch, or kill with their bare hands. That'll get us all in shape...
 
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Sad Max said:
I'd love to open a resort for people to come and experience The Hunter-Gatherer Diet. Upon arrival, guests are stripped naked, driven into the woods, and told that they are welcome to eat whatever they can harvest, catch, or kill with their bare hands. That'll get us all in shape...
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The thoughts running through my head... ;)
 
Sad Max said:
I am a meatatarian. I am morally opposed to the slaughter of innocent vegetables.

Add hypocrisy to the list of qualities separating us from the other animals.

Although in all fairness, logic is merely an instrument that can be used for stupid ends, as well as smart ones.
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Wow... I hope it's a coincidence that you quoted me and then used hypocracy in the same context I used "logic".

My posts are intended to convey understanding for the vegetarian attitude while everybody else was making a joke out of killing animals. I'm not really a black and white kind of guy... I'm sorry if understanding more then one perspective makes me a hypocrite in your opinion.

As long as it's a joke I could care less... but I've never been one to join the mob mentality. There are a lot of DVXuser members who have expressed what they feel are moral views on this issue... including entries from past fests.

While a thread gets closed because we're talking about an A-List celebrity attempting suicide "out of respect" for that person... I found it ironic that everybody was so eager to gang up on a few of our members. I'm sure some of those guys have read this thread and chose to keep quiet... even though they probably feel alienated from the forum while reading this thread. Excuse me for speaking up on their behalf...
 
That wasn't a dig at you, Mattin.

MattinSTL said:
The thing that blows my mind in this topic... as well as all the other hot button issues is the way people express their feelings on it... and the utter lack of logic. People hate logic when it puts their own view in question. Both ways.
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Loving logic when it supports one's position, and hating logic when it does not, is basic hypocrisy. Which is a human, not an animal trait. So...add hypocrisy to the list of qualities separating us from the other animals. *NOT* add hypocrisy to the list of qualities describing Mattin.

 Sure, I understand a lot of the attitudes in the vegetarian spectrum. Don't have a lot of sympathy for most of it, but I *do* understand (pretty simple stuff, isn't it...?)

Injecting morality into biology is plain foolish. We're omnivores, period. If some omnivores prefer to eat like herbivores, I don't see any reason for anyone else to complain. More steak, for me.

I enjoy the company of many animals, just fine, and keep a couple of my own, at home. I'm also familiar - first-hand - with how slaughterhouses function, look, sound, and smell. Which has not led me to alter my diet, either.

I dislike evangelism on behalf of vegetarianism, quite as much as I detest evangelism on behalf of most any other belief system.
 
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Sad Max said:
I'm also familiar - first-hand - with how slaughterhouses function, look, sound, and smell. Which has not led me to alter my diet, either.
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Dude, you got an iron stomach. Even a glimpse of slauterhouse footage makes me wanna yak all over the place. Not to mention the absolutly horrible and dangerous conditions the workers are subjected to.

I don't have any problem with people eating meat but if you don't have any issue with how the meat industry works, then you need to get your head checked.


-rook
 
KingVidiot said:
We are definitely omnivores. Even though I'm a veg, there is no disputing that we evolved eating some type of flesh. However we were not meant to eat the quantities that the average person eats. A simple look at our very long small intestine (roughly 3 times your height) moves us in the direction of the herbivore, although we lack the ability to digest cellulose (fiber) since our gut flora doesn't include the symbiotic protozoans that have the ability to break down leaves and other fibrous plant parts, but we have no problem with starches and fruits. Our dentition is definitely slanted toward the grinding type of most vegetarians. We lack the impressive canines of a true carnivore: dog, cat, ferret, etc.

In fact cats are called obligate carnivores since they need to have meat to live properly. They have a very intense digestive system with a much shorter intestine than a herbivore, and their waste is very well digested and they don't get polyps like humans do ( I know since I work with bobcats). They also have specialized dentition called carnassial teeth. On top of the typical carnivore's "canine teeth" they have specially adapted molars that meet like scissors to easily slice through meat and break open bones.
However, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't eat a steak if you want to. Just watch the quantities and don't buy the hormone and antibiotic ridden stuff at most typical food stores. I remember the taste difference when I was younger. An unhealthy animal makes a bad tasting meal.
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I found that fascinating. Thanks KingV.

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rook said:
I don't have any problem with people eating meat but if you don't have any issue with how the meat industry works, then you need to get your head checked.


-rook
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I don't think I suggested that slaughterhouse operations are anything but horrifying.

But in fact I prefer to have seen them. I don't like to have illusions about what I'm eating.
 
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