What are people cutting on?

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Richard Lapthorn

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Hi all,

I am a long time lurker, first time poster. I have recently upgraded my DVX100b to a shiny new HVX200e with two 16 gig P2 cards, with the hope of shooting and editing my own material. The problem lies in the fact I am an Avid editor from PAL land. To this date Avid has been famously slow in allowing 720p at PAL frame rates (25 or 50) however, one of the reasons we purchased the camera was to take advantage of the varicam technology, which is obviously only possible in 720pn.

So my question to you all is; What is your edit workflow? I am wondering if there is a way of loading the 720p MXF data from the P2 cards into an NLE other than Avid, then exporting that footage as 1080p QTs, which would be accepted by Media composer. Would uprezzing like that cause any discernable quality loss?

If anyone has suggestions for a good workflow I am all ears. I am shooting a music video on Saturday and need to know if I can shoot 720p native to make use of over and under cranking, or whether I should stick to 1920 x 1080 to guarantee compatibility.

Thanks

Rich
 
Can't the HVX shoot variable frame rates in 1080 as well? Sorry if I'm wrong, I'm new to the HVX scene as well.
 
Sadly no. Over and under cranking are only possible in 720pn mode. As an Avid editor the loss of Varicam functionality is a great loss. It would be great to hear if anyone has had any success with any workarounds :)
 
Back to topic...
i might be biased,
but my experience is that Edius Broadcast is great for editing P2 Footage..working native with the footage(not like FCP), dealing with all Framerates, formats (not just all P2-formats...i had BIG problems because of Avid, not working with 720s...we did need to use Avid for having the effort of "clock-it" automized sound syncronisation...but as it was not possible to use 720 in Avid, the production ended up to synchronize 50 hours of interviews manually...that was fun for them...!).

The performance is amazing, unless you hav an older PC, i would suggest you to test it with the new Trial of version 4.51 that just came out (canopus.com)..and then you can see if you like it...there were some issues in former versions, but the new update has fixed a lot of things, so i am curious how you think about it...!

p.s. i am not selling this stuff for Canopus, i am paying for the software...although i sound very enthusiastic about it..!

I am from Pal-lans too...gimme one of your 16GB cards..NOW!-Jeallous!
 
Hey HVX Germanboy, firstly try these guys for P2 cards

http://www.creativevideo.co.uk

They are the main UK stockists and when other companies were telling me it could be weeks before they get them back in stock, Creative video had 50 waiting there. The MD Phill is a really nice guy who knows his stuff. I'm sure the postage to Germany would be worth it.

...And back on topic :)

Yes, I'm going to try out the Edius demo tonight, it looks very impressive. I guess my question still remains though. Has anyone managed to succesfully get footage into the Avid via another NLE? Do you think any slight quality loss caused by uprezzing, would be worth the trouble if we gain varispeed within Media Composer?
 
Richard,
I'm editing 720pn on AVID XPRESS PRO.

With the latest release there is a work around. Edit in a 1080/25p project.

The hassle is that to come back out you need to do a transcode which can can take up a fair bit of space.

PS. I've also recently bought a couple of 16gb cards from Creative Video!
 
I edit all the way any kind of footage with FCP. It has a special P2 import/preview screen that rocks. It can edit any P2 format and you can down/up rez from any format to any format. you can even edit your P2 content in a 4:4:4, 1920 x 1080 uncompressed seq for wonderful cc.


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FCP because I am primarily a Mac person. If I were cutting on PC, it would only be Edius Broadcast.

Ned Soltz
 
Richard Lapthorn said:
Sadly no. Over and under cranking are only possible in 720pn mode. As an Avid editor the loss of Varicam functionality is a great loss. It would be great to hear if anyone has had any success with any workarounds :)
Click to expand...

You can shoot variable frame rates in the 720p "P" modes as well.
 
Edius handles P2 material better than any editor, and by a lot when you factor in the use of meta data, etc..

Aside from that, it's not the best editing tool. Reminds me too much of Avid Liquid.
 
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