We are cheating for IBC...

simply amazing. by the way, I just sold a new reservation for ya Mr. Jannard. I gave a classmate of mine, Lorenzo, the complete "Let me tell you about RED" talk a couple of hours ago and he will be making a reservation very very soon (I think tommorow).

As everyone is saying, after the footage is released, those reservations will spike up insanely.
 
Jannard said:
We wish we had more time to shoot. Three days. That's it. Just finished and have two weeks to get it ready for IBC. We'll be spending the next few months putting the rig through its paces. Remember, we did not have a finished sensor design 8 months ago.
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I'm really starting to get goosebumps...
 
I saw on the IBC schedule a presentation time for reservation holders. The staff'll have a list, right? I don't think current security regulations will allow us to carry a weird metal R on the plane.
 
(To Graeme or Jim)

The IBC presentation will take place using the RED codec already done or not yet? If not is there any plans for it?

:dankk2:

Emanuel

EDIT -- I (want to) mean as a sort of beta example?
 
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I'm sure they're going to be working on Redcode for awhile, but that is a great question Emanuel. Is it RAW stuff, or encoded with...
 
as everybody else i'm eager to see footage of the red1. hope they put uncompressed footage online shortly after the IBC. we already joined the pre order cheque, and i had a good laugh reading "Ted Schilowitz, leader of the revolution" on the bottom of the paper we got.
and that's pretty much it. a big revolution. i can imagine sony, arri, canon, jvc and pana marketing people clamping ropes on their ceiling or checking the height of their office buildings for a good jump. and the best thing is, they deserve it! :D
because all of a sudden and out of nowhere there is a camera company that dedicate it's product to people who actually want to do hi quality movies but don't have the budget necessary to pay for some companies idiotic marketing strategies. the times of limitation due to marketing strategies are over soon! hail to the king babies! hail to the red company! keep up the fantastic work!


ps, sry for that kinda' yesmanish post but i had to say that!
 
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you are right stephen. we may be talking about gigabytes of data here for just a view seconds. but there is no info about the codec's specs available yet. some stills and res charts would do it for a first impression... can't wait!
 
Ok, assuming that the previously discusse catastrophy is avoided, will the footage actually be shown at the RED booth, or will it be at some obscure conference, that we need to pay a fortune to attend? I'm asking because RED is in fact the main reason that I plan to go.
 
I just came from the Red demo at the IBC convention (which despite protestations to the contrary was mostly about television, not cinema). But the Red demo was certainly impressive. The presentor (he only gave us a first name) was very loose and California, like a fish-out-of-water in a formal European setting. My companion, a Belgian film financier, was seriously put off by the man. But in the guy's defense, he seemed awfully nervous, and God knows he wanted to please. His presentation wasn't really helped when he had to reboot his Macintosh right at the start, while we all watched error messages flash on the big screen.

The footage, once it started, was sharp, clean, bright, and very brief -- just a few minutes long. It was primarily close shots of a few individuals in a black environment, which of course is the age-old technique for making footage look good. There was a single shot of a silver sports car, lit on a stage with (visible) movie lights, while the camera dollied slowly past it. It was definitely the most credible shot that was shown, even sharper and more impressive than the classic Imax demo images.

Afterwards, in a brief conversation with the presentor, I asked about seeing some real outdoor footage with distant detail. He said that is planned for their next shoot.

Elsewhere in the convention an Asian company (I stupidly lost their name) showed a high-definition reel on a large digital screen, much of it the most complex kinds of nature footage, including things like distant trees waving in a breeze while bits of sharply-defined dust swirled in the foreground -- absolutely the sharpest, most luminous and impressive display I've ever seen. When Red gets around to producing that kind of digital imagery they truly will have arrived.

In the meantime they're continuing their show-and-tell peep shows. I asked the presentor why, if the Red camera can take Arri-mount lenses, they are spending resources developing largely-redundant lenses for the camera. His response was refreshingly honest -- they've priced their camera so low that to recoup production costs they'll depend on their line of high-end lenses (featuring sexy red bands around them).

Well, ya gotta do what you gotta do. I'm still really, really dubious that they will pull this off anywhere near the time-frame they're shooting for. But at the same time, for our own studio's future work we're letting everyone know that plans include the Red camera.
 
Thanks for the report kentfx. Another reason I think RED has given for developing their own lenses was to offer an affordable alternative for cine lenses but I wouldn't doubt if the profit margin is higher on the lenses.
 
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Elsewhere in the convention an Asian company (I stupidly lost their name) showed a high-definition reel on a large digital screen, much of it the most complex kinds of nature footage, including things like distant trees waving in a breeze while bits of sharply-defined dust swirled in the foreground -- absolutely the sharpest, most luminous and impressive display I've ever seen. When Red gets around to producing that kind of digital imagery they truly will have arrived.

In the meantime they're continuing their show-and-tell peep shows. I asked the presentor why, if the Red camera can take Arri-mount lenses, they are spending resources developing largely-redundant lenses for the camera. His response was refreshingly honest -- they've priced their camera so low that to recoup production costs they'll depend on their line of high-end lenses (featuring sexy red bands around them).

Well, ya gotta do what you gotta do. I'm still really, really dubious that they will pull this off anywhere near the time-frame they're shooting for. But at the same time, for our own studio's future work we're letting everyone know that plans include the Red camera.
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Interesting post. Our Californian certainly was a fish out of water in the Euro atmosphere. Are Euro's always so monochromatic? :-) Your lens report seems to have tested your ability to translate. Or maybe that was a joke? The "arrival" footage you spoke of was shot with the astounding NHK 8k camera. No doubt the shaprest footage shown anywhere. Shot at 30 frames (60 fields) per second, it does not have a "film hand" but rather a very stark video look. While sharp, it is definitely not the look we are stooting for.
 
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Our Californian certainly was a fish out of water in the Euro atmosphere. Are Euro's always so monochromatic? :-)
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Nah... let's not go there. Although there is a difference in 'American presentation' and 'European presentation', I thought that Ted's presentation mostly betrayed his own personal excitement about this milestone.

Maybe some people that haven't followed the project over the last 8 months expected a more corporate attitude. But I've sat through Sony presentations, and the only good thing about those is the abundant catering. And if The Sound of Music at 4k is your thing... :grin:

RED is obviously different. Somehow I don't see Jim screening Julie Andrews singing in the Swiss Alps.

Anyway... Ted was clearly excited about the screening, and I feel the the nature of this project justifies his slightly giddy performance. But as we've all been able to read on various forums, the whole "RED experience" (meaning the combo of a very open development process and the resulting hype) isn't for everyone.

Barend

P.S. If RED ever develops an affordable dolly, it could be RED Ride... Oh... and if you get a raincover for it, it would be the Red Riding Hood... Okay... I'm done.
 
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Afterwards, in a brief conversation with the presentor, I asked about seeing some real outdoor footage with distant detail. He said that is planned for their next shoot.
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This will be the real test for the camera (along with motion footage, and exterior low light footage). But, the cam is still in development people. Patience...

:beer:

I asked the presentor why, if the Red camera can take Arri-mount lenses, they are spending resources developing largely-redundant lenses for the camera. His response was refreshingly honest -- they've priced their camera so low that to recoup production costs they'll depend on their line of high-end lenses (featuring sexy red bands around them).
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Largely redundant. ? Umm, maybe because the Cooke 18-100 T3 zoom costs between 4 to 5 times as much as the proposed RED zoom, it ain't so redundant ? ... at least not for anyone but renters and wealthy collectors.

This lens will be indemand by everyone if it even comes close to the glass of Leica and Zeiss.

I've done so much research on lenses (and costs) over the last 3 months, that if Jim puts up the reservation #, watch me dial :) I mean, people are snapping up lenses on e-bay, total trust , for heck sake... Redundant ? Wahh?

RED# wish I was higher
 
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Jannard said:
No doubt the shaprest footage shown anywhere. Shot at 30 frames (60 fields) per second, it does not have a "film hand" but rather a very stark video look. While sharp, it is definitely not the look we are stooting for.
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yes.. that NHK is a good camera for shooting fast shutter 60i football. Not movies. I remember going to that presentation and being more impressed with the 20(?) channel surround sound than the picture.
 
Barend Onneweer said:
But I've sat through Sony presentations, and the only good thing about those is the abundant catering. And if The Sound of Music at 4k is your thing... :grin:

RED is obviously different. Somehow I don't see Jim screening Julie Andrews singing in the Swiss Alps.
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I've been to that same presentation, for the 4K Projector. It was neet but I much rather see a RED presentation where they have beautiful woman lighting up cigars. I guess thats just my thing. And I agree that this companys formatt if you would, is putting the middle finger up at decades of industrial devolupment in the camera industrey and that is going to rub some people the wrong way. Personally I think it is long over due and I welcome the revolution with finger up high. :beer:
 
Ted always seems like he's had one mountain dew too many, but his exuberance is genuine, unlike many presenters who put on the fake smile and tow the corporate line. I don't think they could ask for a better personality as the face of RED.
 
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