Vincent Laforet Canon D5 MKII Film

Morox said:
Too bad it does not work that way. People DO care, regardless of how fantastic your film may be.
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In my world.... naaaaa. I dont think it matters. Your eyes are just acustom to seeing to much 24p. There alot of coool shiz thats done in 30p. A good friend of mine still does alot of his stuff in 30p....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-weMaLGros

If your watching somthing thats amazing your eyes will get use to it regardless the frame rates. Trust me is about content not frame rates! There was a comment made earlier on this thread by frisco... which i agree 100% with.

frisco said:
There is nothing about 24P thats gonna make it any better. Allot of people on this forum try and hide bad film making behind 24fps and 35mm lens adapters.
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I know its a low comment but unfortunately true in most cases... A camera is jst a tool. Anyone can pick one up and film. Its how you use that tool and stand out from the rest that counts.

anywhoo, this 30p or not to 30p is an endless conversation. A waste. So less bitchin peoples... and more filmin!!
 
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The Sarlacc said:
I do.

I'm sorry...but if Peter Jackson shot LoTR on video in 30fps...it would have looked like a bad bbc recording of shakespeare. And people would have hated sitting through it for 3 hours. It would have been like watching a video game.

Content is important. Its the basic building block. but you need all the ingredients to make a good stew.

People trying to argue pure content over anything else. I challenge you to to write a script...One that think is of amazing content...and then go make that script...on a fisher price pixelvision camera. And then send that out to the festivals and try and get someone to buy it for distribution...because hey, content rules all right?
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=T Don't try to be logical if it steps on someone's hopes or dreams to have "the one" in their hands. The One being a Camera that'll only cost an arm and can "theoretically" do more than another one; that's really what it's about, which is the only reason why anyone is justifying 30p and no 24p.

I get you, and I'm sure a lot of other people do as well. It's all good, dude.
 
Oedipax said:
I explained to her about the 24p vs 60i/30p thing,
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After reading far too many of these posts, I am seeing a pattern of 24p zealots believing 30p and 60i are one and the same, or look the same. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of the pro 24p comments are coming from ignorance. How much PROFESSIONALLY shot 30p footage have any of us been exposed too? Zero to none!
The single biggest reason why 30p is undesirable is that it isn't supported in PAL land. That is a real concern for video content distribution. The fact that Canon will not release a 25p PAL version is complete proof that they are protecting their video cam lines as there is no technical excuse for them to do that.
 
f64manray said:
X-Files would have rocked on the 5D. That show was filmed in the dark. I think the low light quality of the 5D may be better than what they were using.

Kholi hates me already. :)
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I don't hate you. The hell? lol

You guys get down and dirty with 30p. Make Merry!
 
I understand about 30P and that it does seem to be a format designed for 'computer-based' distribution in that 30P is a no go in PAL land. There are definitely limitations to 30P from a distribution point of view and in that respect I agree with Kholi.
But in terms of IQ then I think the 5D is way ahead of the game. Just preying that in PAL land we get 25P. They wouldn't really give us only 30P right?
So I can absolutely live with 30P in terms of IQ and have no problems with it at all in IQ respect - but yeah it's true 24P is a global standard these days for distribution.
 
I dont know the technical issues of these different framerates and know little about video in general, but from a novice like me, the D90 footage is more pleasing to watch then the 5DII, not because i own a Nikon, but theres something about the motion in it that makes the footage more interesting to watch in an artistic way, meanwhile the 5DII looks too fluid and clean. It's kind of hard to explain properly since english is not my native language.

Basically it's not the colors or dof that i like better, but a certain "look" in the footage that i cant explain in words. 5DII looks sharp, clean and fluid, but for me doesnt look interesting.
 
Anyone know if this was shot with custom settings like vivid, or just "normal" from the camera?

The colors really pop and the blacks look a little crushed to hide any noise.
 
If Canon gave the option than there would be very little discussion on which is better(which is so subjective). I would assume the larger group of us here who first bought the DVX-100 chose it for this very option. I prefer 24 that does not mean the footage was bad or not great for DSLR but for those of us concerned about a film aesthetic 30/60 does not work for us. So it is a huge disappointment to not have the option.

For me this camera is for fun and family outings where I wont need my gear so D90, 5D its all good just happy to trim the fat. Leave the work to my Pannys :)
 
Looks nice ! :) Looks a little 'video camera' in places, not sure why, maybe the lighting but in a few scenes it just looks more 'video' than 'film', maybe it just that it is so clear/sharp ?
 
Couldn't somebody download Vincent Laforet's video and convert it to 24p? I would try it immediately but don't have the tools...:(
 
30P Guys:

Be honest, if 24P mode was available along with 30P, which one would you use for your movie?

24P Guys:

Wait/pray for firmware update;
Convert 30P to 24P
Wait for PAL version, (Highly likely to be 25P)
 
Anhar Miah said:
30P Guys:

Be honest, if 24P mode was available along with 30P, which one would you use for your movie?

24P Guys:

Wait/pray for firmware update;
Convert 30P to 24P
Wait for PAL version, (Highly likely to be 25P)
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waiting for a 25p PAL version? are you sure? i mean don't you guys know the specs for the uk?

well i wish i could wait for that my friend! no bro, the specs for the PAL version are already known, at least here switzerland: 30p!

check out the specs at canon switzerland:

http://de.canon.ch/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_5D_Mark_II/index.asp?specs=1

that just makes it VERY DIFFICULT to shoot videos here in good old europe..

hello canon, did you hear that???
 
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joe 1008 said:
Couldn't somebody download Vincent Laforet's video and convert it to 24p? I would try it immediately but don't have the tools...:(
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i did. went from 30-60-24 in fcp. at first i thought it didn't make much difference, however after watching through a few times (noticing lots of compression issues - this is compressed so many times) then watching the original i DID see a huge difference. at the front of the video, the motion is smooth. towards the middle (about at the point of the silhouette of the woman's face) it's starts to get jumpy. the skyline shot is really bad. not sure what the issue is. not sure if i could upload it since it is very high profile (for this crowd) copyrighted material.

but it does seem a successful way (with some experimentation) to alleviate the 30fps issue. i also desaturated the colors a tad.
 
joe 1008 said:
Couldn't somebody download Vincent Laforet's video and convert it to 24p? I would try it immediately but don't have the tools...:(
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ja, same same problemo.

but i'd still love to know more about conversion into 24p (i.e. with twixtor)

i mean, converting might be a workaround..

.. til canon will come up with the promised firmware update:-Laugh(DBG)-1
 
Rubbersquare said:
i did. went from 30-60-24 in fcp. at first i thought it didn't make much difference, however after watching through a few times (noticing lots of compression issues - this is compressed so many times) then watching the original i DID see a huge difference. at the front of the video, the motion is smooth. towards the middle (about at the point of the silhouette of the woman's face) it's starts to get jumpy. the skyline shot is really bad. not sure what the issue is. not sure if i could upload it since it is very high profile (for this crowd) copyrighted material.

but it does seem a successful way (with some experimentation) to alleviate the 30fps issue. i also desaturated the colors a tad.
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Could you post it on Vimeo?
 
Anhar Miah said:
:shocked: :shocked:

Oh my, why would Canon do that?? I'm confused.com

Well thats 25P crossed of the list. grrr :(
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I think all European HD displays are required to accept 30p/60i signals (afaik it's part of the HD Ready standard), so Canon probably took that as an excuse to stick with 30p :(:(:(
 
I don't know much about the underlying technology, but if you've got the bandwidth and technology to do 30 progressive frames a second, shouldn't it be trivial to dial that back down to 24? Is it simply a case of Canon not wanting to cannibalize their other offerings too much, or is there a more engineering-geared explanation?

Also, I once again reiterate: if you're one of the people that are fine with 30p, you have my blessing! Go forth and make great films. I await the emergence of a new global 30p nouvelle vague. And yes, I do in fact know the difference between 60i and 30p. Anyone who's owned a DVX - a DVX User, you might call them - does.
 
Oedipax said:
I don't know much about the underlying technology, but if you've got the bandwidth and technology to do 30 progressive frames a second, shouldn't it be trivial to dial that back down to 24? Is it simply a case of Canon not wanting to cannibalize their other offerings too much, or is there a more engineering-geared explanation?
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reasons? first is that they don't want a dslr to affect camcorder sales. secod reason may be that they are using hardware fixed at 30p, like hw codec chips from camcorders (reusing hardware). i don't think the encoding is done on digic. the mpeg4 is heavy on the cpu and since the camera can contrast AF it means the digic is getting bored while recording. so there's a hardware codec for the mpeg4 which is probably locked to 30p.

canon's powershot cameras also record 30p (was mjpeg but on the new ones h264). not even using the firmware hack you could change the framerate. that's hardcoded forever (at least on all cameras until now)
 
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