GH4 Vimeo Vs. Youtube Upload Quality

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nathannguyen59

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For some reason, I've been having lots of trouble watching Vimeo videos. There appears to be a digital sharpening or jagged lines that keep appearing in the videos. I just updated to Windows 8.1 and every video is like this when I watch it on the Vimeo player. You can see what I mean in the screen shot below. Look at the letter outline and you'll see what I mean. Has this been an issue for other people? With Youtube, there is none of this jagged lines or digital sharpening or whatever you may call it. It's pretty irritating and I just wanted to know if anybody else has experienced this.

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Try it in a different browser. Browsers contain their own HTML5 player and this leads to a difference in appearance.
I've found that, on vimeo at least, firefox raises the gamma and does not have good audio sync. Chrome does what you mention above to sharp edges, but has better color rendition and audio sync.
 
I've noticed the "small" normal screen - the normal page with video in middle and details and comments below - tends to screen fit the video with all kinds of jaggies. I always press full screen, then either watch full screen expanded, or normal resolution for highest quality view.

Also, two years ago, I uploaded the same HD content to both to see which looked better. Youtube won becuase it offered 1080 for free where as Vimeo free, capped it to 720, even down rezzed to 720. Not sure if that is still the case. I'd >>HEARD<< Vimeo uses less or better compression, but that is negated by the down scaling - in my opinion and experience.
 
I watch both YouTube and Vimeo on my Panasonic 50" IPS Smart TV and between the two, YouTube looks much better.
 
I also use both and find my Youtube videos superior in quality. Both not ideal but Youtube is better. Vimeo can be very funky with browsers, internet speed, audio sync, buffering, upscaling/downscaling, it just introduces too many problems to "many'' of my targeted audience with less than perfect setups. The advantage of Vimeo is being able offer an original uncompressed version for download. Youtube also allows 1080p and 4K for free, while vimeo tops at 720p.

Another thing I found, the compression quality of Youtube at 4K is marvelous that I even now upscale my 1080p files and upload them to youtube as 4K, it does way less compression and the image looks better viewed in 4K (it's still 1080p).
 
I've had the opposite experience. YouTube gives me a noticeable gamma shift, darkening all my videos. Vimeo's shift is almost imperceptible. I find both to be equally sharp and equally fast to load, with only occasional buffering lags for both. So, I use Vimeo exclusively and have heard no complaints. If it matters, I use Safari as my browser.

I don't have anything that shoots 4K so that's not a factor yet. I have a Vimeo Plus account ($60/yr) so can post 1080, password protect, etc.
 
I think depending on the "broadcast LEVELS" you choose and browser playback, the darkening thing can happen on Youtube. Happened to me on my first couple youtubes, but they changed or I changed and haven't seen it since then. I DID note a tiny hint more "red" in my last youtube upload.... but hey, for free, I'm not complaining. :D


EDIT: I take it back, you are right, it is a levels thang. My latest, I uploaded with full 0-255 levels to push the envelope, and sure enough, Youtube is clipping my darks. 16-235 is usually safest everywhere. Just checked vimeo... my dark shoes looked fine there.
 
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Image quality aside, the user experience is so much nicer on Vimeo. I don't worry that a video I post on Vimeo is going to be followed by random videos and littered with nasty, racist comments.
 
I've always found Vimeo image quality better than YouTube. On youTube I'm always seeing nasty compression artifacts, and I rarely see that on Vimeo. Also, as Andrius said above, the user experience on Vimeo is much more pleasant.
 
I have a Vimeo pro account.

I'll also comment that people viewing videos on the internet reminds me of what we used to call "NTSC" broadcast standards, NTSC = never the same color.

Because everybody has their television setup differently, much like computer monitors. The average person hasn't a clue about proper monitor setup, so who knows how your video may look from computer to computer.
 
Full 1080p video is about equal on both with the exception of pans on Vimeo stobe like crazy. There is some sort of long gop encoding going on with vimeo that ruins most pans and stabilizer work that is perfectly smooth in 30p everywhere else.

Cheers,
Pete
 
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