Viewing 4K at home...

AuditoryVisuals

AuditoryVisuals

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Okay, you got all that 4K on the RED ONE. You want to show it, you don't want to show in a huge cinema with the Sony SRX-R110. You want to show it in your house, in the living room. Try Sharp's new 64" 4K LCD.

I have a feeling this thread will get moved...
 
So HD will be getting replaced in our homes with 4K by, say, 2016?

At which time George Lucas will be kicking himself for shooting those Star Wars films at such low rez!
 
ZaneIsNumber1 said:
At which time George Lucas will be kicking himself for shooting those Star Wars films at such low rez!
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NO he wont, he will just uprez it, add some new footage and release it all over...
 
AuditoryVisuals said:
But by that time RED will be up there around 16K or 32K.
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I don't see how that would be at all useful except in a very niche market. You're just recording the beautiful imperfections in your lens at that point.

Then again you could shoot your whole film with a 20 mm lens. ;)
 
ZaneIsNumber1 said:
So HD will be getting replaced in our homes with 4K by, say, 2016?

At which time George Lucas will be kicking himself for shooting those Star Wars films at such low rez!
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:) :) :)

Yeah its time for remake George :p)
 
Originally Posted by ZaneIsNumber1
So HD will be getting replaced in our homes with 4K by, say, 2016?

At which time George Lucas will be kicking himself for shooting those Star Wars films at such low rez!
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LOL! I've thought this exact thing ever since I discovered resolutions beyond 1080p exist already...I can see him uprezzing episodes II and III..the rest were all 35mm anyways...and heh the thought of owning 4k copies of the the original Star Wars films is making me salivate. Its funny how he intends to call his 1080p blu Ray versions (due out 2007) the "Archival Editions"...pff yeah right, all us videophiles know that a 4k will appear. it's Lucas.

Also I might add, at only 62"...this sharp monitor is definitely not meant for multiple viewers (as said in the article)...the pixels must be tiny. This is more or less a desktop 4k monitor. At a viewing distance where multiple people can view the entire screen , 62" doesn't justify 4k. So if this thing runs around the 10k ballpark, I think its a runner up for a RED display. Although I heard rumblings of a 40" Apple Cinema but who knows?
 
kramergfy said:
Also I might add, at only 62"...this sharp monitor is definitely not meant for multiple viewers (as said in the article)...the pixels must be tiny. This is more or less a desktop 4k monitor. At a viewing distance where multiple people can view the entire screen , 62" doesn't justify 4k. So if this thing runs around the 10k ballpark, I think its a runner up for a RED display. Although I heard rumblings of a 40" Apple Cinema but who knows?
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Actually, 62" is just fine for 4k. Ive handled 3.5k displays at 22inches and they look absoloutely sublime. You could practically hold an 8x Loupe to the monitor and still see detail. And even at a distance, your eye is more than capable of seeing detail at 4k. Our eyes spot detail right down to 300dpi.

And if they go for 10k, im going out and buying a bunch tommorow. I highly doubt they would be priced anywhere near that number. Id say the price tag would be more along the lines of 30-40k.
 
your eye is more than capable of seeing detail at 4k. Our eyes spot detail right down to 300dpi.
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Interesting...I guess I should look into that laser eye surgery hehe. I guess I was thinking along the lines that since UHDTVs are estimated to be around 200 inches, a 4k TV would be similar...or at least 100 for multiple viewing.

And price range; you're right, it was just wishful thinking on my part...afterall, wouldn't it be kind of silly if the screen costs more than the camera itself?
 
I believe that 4K will be the new Gold Standard for HD home theatres within a few years. Therefore I am gearing all my future HD projects to shoot at 4K.
 
I can't imagine seeing a new tv format being introduced anytime soon. There just isn't going to be a mass requirement for it what with HDTV... hell most people don't even feel the need to own that yet, why would anyone care about having 4k.

Any monitor or projection system capable of displaying 4k will be for professionals and will have a professional pricetag imho. Even if Apple made it, think about it, if Red has sold 700ish cameras there just isn't a justifyable market to release a 40" monitor that can display 4k footage unless it has a pricetag to boot. Of the 700ish people to buy a Red how many are going to want to buy one if they released it? Maybe 20% if they are lucky? I think most people will have to make do with viewing 2k for quite a while unless they have the wallet to buy a decent piece of kit or a friend at a cinema that has just invested in a quality digital projection system and you have a means to get it from your setup to theirs.

As far as I'm concerned however, there is no need to look at a 4k image on a TV or computer monitor and being able to view the entire image (you can zoom in to check for artifacts if you really do not believe 2k shows you enough). The whole point of it being 4k is that it can stand up to being displayed on a cinema screen.
 
Homersapien said:
I can't imagine seeing a new tv format being introduced anytime soon. There just isn't going to be a mass requirement for it what with HDTV... hell most people don't even feel the need to own that yet, why would anyone care about having 4k.
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I agree. Not anytime soon. Most people dont realise that the HDTV resoloutions were seeing now were proposed in the late 60's. Its taken this long for the technology to make it available. But who knows. Moores Law and all.
 
Homersapien said:
I can't imagine seeing a new tv format being introduced anytime soon. There just isn't going to be a mass requirement for it what with HDTV... hell most people don't even feel the need to own that yet, why would anyone care about having 4k.

Any monitor or projection system capable of displaying 4k will be for professionals and will have a professional pricetag imho. Even if Apple made it, think about it, if Red has sold 700ish cameras there just isn't a justifyable market to release a 40" monitor that can display 4k footage unless it has a pricetag to boot. Of the 700ish people to buy a Red how many are going to want to buy one if they released it? Maybe 20% if they are lucky? I think most people will have to make do with viewing 2k for quite a while unless they have the wallet to buy a decent piece of kit or a friend at a cinema that has just invested in a quality digital projection system and you have a means to get it from your setup to theirs.

As far as I'm concerned however, there is no need to look at a 4k image on a TV or computer monitor and being able to view the entire image (you can zoom in to check for artifacts if you really do not believe 2k shows you enough). The whole point of it being 4k is that it can stand up to being displayed on a cinema screen.
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Agreed. 1080p will be the maximum HDTV standard for most manufacturers for a very long time.

However, there will probably be some specialty LCD and/or Plasma sets built for professional applications that will venture into 2k and 4k.
 
A good way of looking at resolution is to measure both resolution and sensitivity.

This site has a good demonstration. We actually have trouble seeing really big detail. Move away from your screen and you'll have a better chance of seeing it.
http://www.usd.edu/psyc301/CSFIntro.htm

For really fine detail, the contrast has to be very high. Otherwise you will not see that detail.

By extension, it means that image compression can be a good idea. For really fine detail, you won't notice the artifacts.
 
I think you guys are underestimating the pace of technology. Once people get a look at 4K on a screen, they will be drooling and emptying their wallets -- at least the high-end home theatre people will, if there is content for it.

Also, the storage and other technology needed will be there.
 
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