FS7: Veydra Mini Primes

Not tested them personally. Going by what colleagues have said. Good for the price, not necessarily 'good' outright. Possibly 'good enough' depending on your requirements. Image quality hovering around that Samyang/Rockinon/Xeen level.

CA issues are quite well documented.

They look sexy as hell and are very cute. I hope they're a success to the point they can develop mk2 superspeeds ;)
 
broughtonfilm said:
CP stands for Compact Primes.
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Actually the CP's are rehoused still lenses with proper cine mechanics. Some of the designs date back to the Contax era (post war).
The name Compact Primes is a little misleading, because they aren't exactly compact.

Because they are based on still photography lenses they offer full frame coverage (135 / VistaVision).

Last time I checked Veydras are designed for Micro 4/3 and you'll need an e-mount adapter. I'm not sure if they will cover the s35 sensor in the FS7. They should be fine for the 2k crop mode (aka S16), but you'll have to recalculate the FOV.

Adam Wilt article
http://www.provideocoalition.com/first-look-veydra-mini-primes-for-micro-four-thirds
 
Harry Lime said:
Actually the CP's are rehoused still lenses with proper cine mechanics. Some of the designs date back to the Contax era (post war).
The name Compact Primes is a little misleading, because they aren't exactly compact.

Because they are based on still photography lenses they offer full frame coverage (135 / VistaVision).

Last time I checked Veydras are designed for Micro 4/3 and you'll need an e-mount adapter. I'm not sure if they will cover the s35 sensor in the FS7. They should be fine for the 2k crop mode (aka S16), but you'll have to recalculate the FOV.

Adam Wilt article
http://www.provideocoalition.com/first-look-veydra-mini-primes-for-micro-four-thirds
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They are available with an E mount in most focal lengths and cover the full S35 sensor of the FS5. I have a couple and they're great for quick simple stuff.
 
Over 25mm I believe for the Veydras covering S35 on e-mount.

Recently covered on another thread but the CP2s share optics with the ZE/ZF glass, but have different iris, different coatings and different mechanics. All of which adds up to something a fair bit more than just a stills lens.
 
I did detect CA on the 50mm wide open shooting reflections off a water puddle in and extreme high contrast setting. Closing the aperture to f2.8 solved the problem that's why when in doubt shoot at 2.8-4 which you should do with any lens basically.
 
I'm planning on picking up a set of these for an Fs5. I think the size and focus function will suffice. If I'm doing a large setup with an Fs7 I'll rent CPs anyways.
 
Hi Erik,

What do you use as followfocus with the Veydra's lenses ? The Veydra's lenses is an improvement compared to Rokinon, no ? All cheap prime lenses have CA and breathe a little, no ? Even the Xenon or the CP2 ?

In Veydra I see many advantages (but tell me if I'm wrong) :
- Very small and lightweight
- 360° focus ring
- Right sens of the focus ring
- Sharp lenses
- Great Bokeh (round) at small apertures
- Manufacturing quality ?

And disadvantages compared to expensive prime lenses :
- Aperture not so fast
- Breathe
- CA at first stops
- Bokeh not so clean at hight apertures
- No lens under 25mm in E-mount

If you see other points...

And someone can tell me the difference beetween F stops and T stops please ? Is it equal ?

Thanks
 
Duol said:
And someone can tell me the difference beetween F stops and T stops please ? Is it equal ?
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An F Stop is a ratio of the focal length to the aperture opening. A 100mm lens with a 50mm opening would be an f/2 lens.

A T-Stop is an adjusted f-number to account for light transmission efficiency, since no lens is perfect and some light will be lost. Two lenses might both be f/2 lenses, but the one that is more efficient at transmitting light (read: brighter), will have a smaller T-stop than the darker lens. This is why cinematographers use T-stops, so that you can ensure scene exposure consistency between lens swaps.

Another pro you can add to the list for the Veydras is that they are all the same length and have unified front diameters of 80mm and 77mm filter threads, with the exception of the 12mm (it's just a hair shorter in length). Makes lens swaps easier since you don't have to move your follow focus and mattebox around every time you change a lens.
 
I am using mine with a zacuto z drive follow focus on an fs7 pulling focus is just awesome. The size is perfect changing lenses is very fast. I think it's pretty unbeatable as a cone prime set you can own without going into debt. I'm happy with mine.
 
I was interested in the lamparte, is Zacuto better according to you if it's to be used by a single cameraman?
 
I think I read that the 16mm Veydra has an image circle that's very close to covering S35mm, it might be that with a slight crop in it's usable and offers a FoV equivalent to an 18mm or 21mm lens. Worth a look-see me thinks, especially with the FS7 in 4k where you have the resolution to spare.
 
That would be very interesting indeed even in HD if you have to blow up by 10% or so.
it would be great if someone could check it out.

Ill ask Veydra directly as well.



Grug said:
I think I read that the 16mm Veydra has an image circle that's very close to covering S35mm, it might be that with a slight crop in it's usable and offers a FoV equivalent to an 18mm or 21mm lens. Worth a look-see me thinks, especially with the FS7 in 4k where you have the resolution to spare.
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I read somewhere recently (sorry don't remember where, maybe Veydras Twitter or Facebook) that Veydra would soon have some news for e-mount users. My guess is that they are working on wider lenses for the emount as well...
 
Duol said:
Hi Erik,

What do you use as followfocus with the Veydra's lenses ? The Veydra's lenses is an improvement compared to Rokinon, no ? All cheap prime lenses have CA and breathe a little, no ? Even the Xenon or the CP2 ?

In Veydra I see many advantages (but tell me if I'm wrong) :
- Very small and lightweight
- 360° focus ring
- Right sens of the focus ring
- Sharp lenses
- Great Bokeh (round) at small apertures
- Manufacturing quality ?

And disadvantages compared to expensive prime lenses :
- Aperture not so fast
- Breathe
- CA at first stops
- Bokeh not so clean at hight apertures
- No lens under 25mm in E-mount

If you see other points...

And someone can tell me the difference beetween F stops and T stops please ? Is it equal ?

Thanks
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I'll do my best....
Any follow focus will work really. I have the Zacuto Z-Drive and a TrustMT that has hard stops. It's a cheap unit but it works pretty well.
Focus is smooth and yes it goes the right direction as opposed to the Nikon way. Why on earth Nikon decided to do that is beyond me.
Watch my video. I think the bokeh is nice.
Solid build. Fits nice and tight on the FS7.

For the E Mount you can use the 25, 35, 50 and 85mm when it's released. The 12mm and 16mm wont cover S35.

I shot mostly around f3.0 and f4. I wanted to make sure I kept talent in focus and I was outside so I didn't need to be wide open and I try not to shoot wide open really.

If I was buying cine lenses I would get the Veydras. You can get 4 Veydras for the same price as one CP2.
 
Ben Scott said:
Recently covered on another thread but the CP2s share optics with the ZE/ZF glass, but have different iris, different coatings and different mechanics. All of which adds up to something a fair bit more than just a stills lens.
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Mechanically, yes they are very much cine lenses and superior in every way to the Z series. But their optical formulation is the same as the Z series, albeit built to a higher standard and according to Zeiss with cherry picked elements.

Personally I don't care that they are rehoused still lenses, because they make pretty pictures and I feel their superior build quality does have a positive effect on IQ in the long run. I've shot the CP and own several of the ZF and don't see a massive difference.


I quote Matthew Duclos from his blog:

Matthew Duclos
February 12, 2013 at 12:01 AM
"The ZF.2 primes are the same glass used in the CP.2 primes. There would be very, very minor optical differences mostly due to the shape of the aperture blades, more rounded at all stops in the CP.2s. The true benefit to the CP.2s is the mechanical build quality and construction. The focus rotation is about 300 degrees in each prime whereas the ZF.2s have a much shorter rotation, as little as 90 degrees or less in some lenses. The overall rotation, depending on your setup, of the CP.2s can be a burden with such a long throw. All-in-all, both lenses offer very good performance and near identical image quality, but with completely different price tags."


 
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I talked to Veydra about the 16mm and they told me that's it's only 5% short of covering the s35sensor so with a 5% blow up in post it should work fine. Might be worth investigating
 
Do you think that Veydra is going to make another serie for e-mount with short lenses?

How is the Veydra Serie compared to Samyang/Rokinon Cine T1.5?
 
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I think the Veydras are fine for what they are. I'm not sure I would really put them bellow CP.2s. Cp.2s can be pretty bad too. The lenses are very inconsistent through the set.
 
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