C100: unhappy with 5d mkiii.. is c100 for me

I'm still clueless on the advantage of global shutter despite reading up on it!
I considered waiting for the GH4 (I was a fan of the GH13 when it all kicked off but soon grew tired of it's limitations which I'm sure are fixed on the GH4) but I don't think 4k will be in demand from my clients until there are loads of 4k cameras available (probably including full frame) so I'm not too fussed about that.

Is there a reason why somebody wouldn't use a 128gb card as the backup in slot 2 instead of a 64? I just added up a recent wedding on the mkiii and it totalled 60gb from one camera so don't want to come close to it and end up filling up the backup card. However having typed that, if the c100 gets 2.5hrs per 16gb card then I suppose there's not much chance of going over 64gb on a wedding if I currently shoot 60-70gb in a day on the mkiii, right?

I've heard philip bloom mention a firmware upgrade might make the punch in to zoom feature better by allowing you to move the square around the screen to check focus without moving the camera (something I often used to do on magic lantern on the mkii) I don't suppose this has happened yet has it? That would be yet another advantage to add to the list..

I've watched Joe Simon's film on the AF upgrade and it looks pretty amazing IF I've understood it right.. the one touch AF doesn't interest me too much, I don't think the square in the center is small enough to use this reliably on narrow dof but if continuous AF reall is continuous even on f1.4/f1.8 it would be remarkable, but I just can't see how this would be reliable. I'd probably only really use it for glidecam shots but it would be a massive help if it did what I hope it does..
 
Erik Naso put that up today on facebook. Promo clip from Canon featuring hip wedding videographer using a Canon C100, one shot and full autofocus modes in a wedding. More that enough info to convince anybody.

https://vimeo.com/87006298
 
After using two HMC150 workhorses for 3 years I felt the market pressure to 'go DSLR' but didn't want to at all. to be honest. To put down the HMC150 in favour of a DSLR with all its compromises was difficult. I bought a mk3 and all the trimmings: Zacuto EVF, Rode video mic. The low light ability was awesome but for long-form edits all well-known disadvantages of using DSLR came into play. The C100 was the answer. The best DSLR type image you could ask for plus all the advantages of a camcorder, fit for purpose.
 
Burners said:
After using two HMC150 workhorses for 3 years I felt the market pressure to 'go DSLR' but didn't want to at all. to be honest. To put down the HMC150 in favour of a DSLR with all its compromises was difficult. I bought a mk3 and all the trimmings: Zacuto EVF, Rode video mic. The low light ability was awesome but for long-form edits all well-known disadvantages of using DSLR came into play. The C100 was the answer. The best DSLR type image you could ask for plus all the advantages of a camcorder, fit for purpose.
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thanks guys. I've just read that the manual click wheel on the right hand side of the body is for adjusting aperture only. Can this not be assigned to adjust shutter speed? I always leave aperture constant and adjust shutter to expose. Having it on the DSLR wheel at my finger tips means its so fast to do (would much prefer to be able to do it using a fast click wheel than using the joystick)

I fear the answer to this is that it's not possible but it'd seem strange if so many other controls are able to be customised and if you're moving from DSLR you'd be used to using your index finger to adjust shutter speed not aperture..
 
I have a 6D and not the 5D III, but I would definitely not say the C100 blows away the 6D on low light. I would say that they are comparable. The 6D definitely looks much cleaner at high ISO's, but the colors start to look really funky due to the NR. I haven't played around much with NR on the C100, so I'm not sure how clean it can make the image. I tend to just use a denoiser in post if I really feel that I need to. Basically, I am trying to say not to expect an improvement in low light switching to the C100. Of course, you do get 80,000 ISO if you ever want to use your camera as a handheld night vision goggle.
 
thats an interesting opinion cpreston, thanks. To be honest, I bought the mkiii because the mkii wasn't good enough for me above iso1250. The mkiii is excellent in low light, certainly good enough for me so if the c100 is the same or even only slightly better then I'm happy. Low light was my reason for moving from mkii to mkiii, but it's not the reason to go from mkiii to c100. (That's more about usability, ND's, articulating screen, sharpness, record and battery time.)
 
Doug_EX said:
Bottom line, if you have the money go for the C100...I promise you, you won't regret it!
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let's be honest, its pretty obivious I'll go for it.. however.. thats exactly what someone said to be about the 5d mkiii which I'm now going to sell at a loss and pretend our paths never crossed...
 
tikigod19 said:
thats an interesting opinion cpreston, thanks. To be honest, I bought the mkiii because the mkii wasn't good enough for me above iso1250. The mkiii is excellent in low light, certainly good enough for me so if the c100 is the same or even only slightly better then I'm happy. Low light was my reason for moving from mkii to mkiii, but it's not the reason to go from mkiii to c100. (That's more about usability, ND's, articulating screen, sharpness, record and battery time.)
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It's all about story telling. If the story is good, you could make a movie on a IPhone and it would still be great. The big difference between a DSLR and the C100 is functionnality. It's just easier to work with...not to mention more DR and sharpness.
 
dustylense said:
C100 is a great camera. Being that you shoot weddings....
https://vimeo.com/groups/canonc100/videos/87006298
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Homey said:
Erik Naso put that up today on facebook. Promo clip from Canon featuring hip wedding videographer using a Canon C100, one shot and full autofocus modes in a wedding. More that enough info to convince anybody.

https://vimeo.com/87006298
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I think Joe Simon is awesome, but this video uses actors and is a production so I am not sure I'd use this as an example on how awesome the C100 is for weddings. I personally know the actors in this "wedding". Look it up, Natalie Wilemon on IMDB.

The C100 is quite the awesome camera as well.
 
Yeah it was pretty obvious it wasn't a real wedding! Going to hopefully try the AF on Tuesday.. That'll be decision day buy it's looking like a yes
 
tikigod19 said:
thanks guys. I've just read that the manual click wheel on the right hand side of the body is for adjusting aperture only. Can this not be assigned to adjust shutter speed? I always leave aperture constant and adjust shutter to expose. Having it on the DSLR wheel at my finger tips means its so fast to do (would much prefer to be able to do it using a fast click wheel than using the joystick)

I fear the answer to this is that it's not possible but it'd seem strange if so many other controls are able to be customised and if you're moving from DSLR you'd be used to using your index finger to adjust shutter speed not aperture..
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If you are using shutter speed to adjust the exposure on a C100, you are doing it wrong.
 
traviswears said:
If you are using shutter speed to adjust the exposure on a C100, you are doing it wrong.
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not really here to have this discussion. Maybe having ND's built in will change the way I work, but at the moment sometimes at a wedding when you have less than 1 second to get your exposure right, there is no other option and I actually like the resulting look if there's fast action
 
tikigod19 said:
not really here to have this discussion. Maybe having ND's built in will change the way I work, but at the moment sometimes at a wedding when you have less than 1 second to get your exposure right, there is no other option and I actually like the resulting look if there's fast action
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I have to be honest and say it could easily take more than a second to make those kind of exposure changes and know you got it right, although having the waveform (totally missing on the DSLRs) can help big time. Using NDs is one of way doing it (the normal way), though even they can take more than a second, especially if you're looking for the ND4 which will be 2 turns/clicks rather than one. Of course another way if you're not using hoods (which I normally do) is to stick an 8 stop vari-nd on the front and now you have even easier control!

Be careful about snap decisions when you first play with it on the Canon stand on tuesday. I'll admit I was somewhat underwhelmed by the C100 when I first saw it at a show, partly because being crowded by lots of other people all impatiently waiting their turn it was hard to spend enough time with it to get to know the way it operated, how simple it was to change settings like WB, ISO shutter and of course aperture. All these things become second nature in time but at a trade show it's pretty hard to really get a feel for things in a short amount of time unless someone is there to guide you who knows it inside out.

It's easy to pick something up expecting it to be awesome because you've been built up by all the hype (or truth ;)) on the forums but it never quite seems that good at a show. Have fun, and try not to get carried away spending :)
 
thanks Dave, I'll not expect to buy it then and there even if I am sold by that point (I'll get mugged on the way home knowing my luck) but would be good to have a chat with a canon rep if they have time.

For me, the crop factor and resulting deeper aperture (as opposed to the focal length adjustment) is something I wish wasn't constantly niggling at the back of my mind. I like my video projects to look like a nice prime lens photographers photos, its just the way I like to look at film and I think on a lot of occasions the stuff I like to shoot would look better at f1.8 istead of f2.2. I haven't seen anything shot on the c100 that has the very narrow dof I like and thats something thats never going to change..
 
tikigod19 said:
I like my video projects to look like a nice prime lens photographers photos, its just the way I like to look at film ....
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Not sure what you mean by that ("its just the way I like to look at film") since the vast majority of Hollywood films are shot using crop factor sensors similar to the C100, not 'full-frame' as on the 5D2/3. So if you can see it (the DOF) in the movies the chances are you can create it on the C100.
 
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