Twitter rumour re BBC

Paul Llewellyn

Paul Llewellyn

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Today there is a rumour beginning to spread that the BBC are to sanction the AF101. Anyone know of any details? True or False?
 
I think the only thing truly "known" is that Alan Roberts has finished his testing and submitted his report to the BBC. But, Mr. Roberts is notoriously discrete in not tipping any hand one way or another, allowing his customer (in this case, the BBC) to make the details of his reports known.

Alan posts frequently on dvdoctor.net, so if you want him to answer any questions about it, that'd be a good place to ask.

EDIT - this post looks interesting...
 
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If the Beeb do add it to their approved kit, I'd expect caveats (as with the EX series).

If that ends up being external recordings on a Nano (or similar) or even specific lenses (for resolving details) we can only guess until Alan's report goes public. The shocker last year was Canon's XF305/300 that went straight to the approved list.

We can cross our fingers and hope... it would be excellent news.
 
MadMonkFish said:
We can cross our fingers and hope... it would be excellent news.
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This would be excellent indeed. Can hardly use my keyboard because all my fingers are getting entangled.....

For people working for German TV a Beep approval would be a great argument to have in the pocket ...
 
As of yesterday 20/1/2011 this is the revised list:

Here's the revised list of files on Daniel Browning's site:

1: Sony HDWF900
1a: Sony HDWF900/3
2: Panasonic HDC-27V
3: Panasonic HDC-27A
4: Panasonic HDC20A
5: Thomson LDK6000
5a: Thomson LDK6000 version 3.2
6rev2: Sony HDW750P
7rev1: Panasonic HDC20A
8rev7: Panasonic HDC27F/H
9: Sony DVW790WSP
10: Panasonic SDX900
11: Panasonic HC900
12rev1: Sony HDC950/930
13: Panasonic HC900/HRP900
14: Comparison of camera speeds
15rev1: Panasonic HDX400
16rev1: Sony PDW530
17: Sony HDW730S
18rev1: Panasonic HVX200
19: Sony HVRA1/HC1
20: Sony Z1/FX1
21rev2: Panasonic HDX900
22rev2: Sony HDWF900R/790
23: Sony HVRV1
24: Panasonic HPX2100
25: Canon XHG1/A1
26: Panasonic HPX500
27rev1: Panasonic HPX3000
28: Sony PDW700
29: Canon HF10
30rev2: Sony PMWEX1/EX3
31: Panasonic HPX171 (menu values apply to HMC151 as well)
32: RED ONE
33: Panasonic HVX201
34rev1: Sony HVRZ5/Z7
35: Panasonic HPX2700
36: Panasonic HPX3700
37: Sony HDW650
38: Panasonic HPX301
39: Canon 5D
40: Thomson DMC1000 (Infnity)
41: Sony HSC300
42: Iconix HD-RH1
43: Toshiba IK-HD1H
44: Toshiba IK-HR1S and HR1D
45: Sony HXR-MC1P
46rev1: Sony Sony PMW350
47: Panasonic HCK10 and HMR10
48: Panasonic GP-US932HAE
49rev1: Ikegami MKC-200D
50rev1: Canon XF300/305
51: Panasonic HMC151
52: Ikegami HDS-V10
53: Panasonic HPX371
54: Sony PMW320
55: Ikegami HDK-79
56: Sony HDC1500R
57: Thomson GV LDK8000
58: Sony HDCP1
59: Thomson-GV LDK3000
60: Sony HXC100

3 more await approval by their commissioner, expected soon.
2 more await my completing the writing.
2 more await production models of cameras for confirmatory testing.

As you can see the AF101 is not on that list so there may be some waiting yet, I would be very surprised if it gets approval with the add-on of a nanoflash for general indie use, it may well be that like the EX it will get approval for certain internal productions as like the EX the codec is not up to full broadcast use. Gary
 
I see only 1-40 positions at the site, bottom 20 setups not there.



GaryNattrass said:
As of yesterday 20/1/2011 this is the revised list:

Here's the revised list of files on Daniel Browning's site:

1: Sony HDWF900
1a: Sony HDWF900/3
2: Panasonic HDC-27V
3: Panasonic HDC-27A
4: Panasonic HDC20A
5: Thomson LDK6000
5a: Thomson LDK6000 version 3.2
6rev2: Sony HDW750P
7rev1: Panasonic HDC20A
8rev7: Panasonic HDC27F/H
9: Sony DVW790WSP
10: Panasonic SDX900
11: Panasonic HC900
12rev1: Sony HDC950/930
13: Panasonic HC900/HRP900
14: Comparison of camera speeds
15rev1: Panasonic HDX400
16rev1: Sony PDW530
17: Sony HDW730S
18rev1: Panasonic HVX200
19: Sony HVRA1/HC1
20: Sony Z1/FX1
21rev2: Panasonic HDX900
22rev2: Sony HDWF900R/790
23: Sony HVRV1
24: Panasonic HPX2100
25: Canon XHG1/A1
26: Panasonic HPX500
27rev1: Panasonic HPX3000
28: Sony PDW700
29: Canon HF10
30rev2: Sony PMWEX1/EX3
31: Panasonic HPX171 (menu values apply to HMC151 as well)
32: RED ONE
33: Panasonic HVX201
34rev1: Sony HVRZ5/Z7
35: Panasonic HPX2700
36: Panasonic HPX3700
37: Sony HDW650
38: Panasonic HPX301
39: Canon 5D
40: Thomson DMC1000 (Infnity)
41: Sony HSC300
42: Iconix HD-RH1
43: Toshiba IK-HD1H
44: Toshiba IK-HR1S and HR1D
45: Sony HXR-MC1P
46rev1: Sony Sony PMW350
47: Panasonic HCK10 and HMR10
48: Panasonic GP-US932HAE
49rev1: Ikegami MKC-200D
50rev1: Canon XF300/305
51: Panasonic HMC151
52: Ikegami HDS-V10
53: Panasonic HPX371
54: Sony PMW320
55: Ikegami HDK-79
56: Sony HDC1500R
57: Thomson GV LDK8000
58: Sony HDCP1
59: Thomson-GV LDK3000
60: Sony HXC100

3 more await approval by their commissioner, expected soon.
2 more await my completing the writing.
2 more await production models of cameras for confirmatory testing.

As you can see the AF101 is not on that list so there may be some waiting yet, I would be very surprised if it gets approval with the add-on of a nanoflash for general indie use, it may well be that like the EX it will get approval for certain internal productions as like the EX the codec is not up to full broadcast use. Gary
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The site will be updated as soon as it can, Alan was just letting us know what information had been passed to the web page admin.
 
That camera list isn't of BBC approved cameras, but cameras that have been tested, correct? Because I see some cameras that haven't met the BBC's standards, like the HVX200, or even the Canon 5D.
 
My background is in independent documentary. I am young and just finding my way in the film and TV world. I do freelance videography; I am trying to get deeper into that world only recently. I have always heard about the strict standards of BBC and Discovery HD.

I understand why a camera being approved means a lot to people who want to put productions on those channels, and I imagine that approval from a channel like BBC makes the camera seem worthy to other channels.

My question for people who are in the TV production world is: How important is BBC approval to lower profile channels?
 
Someone needs to tell the BBC that the camera you shoot on DOESN'T MATTER as long as your story is great! :evil:
 
HHL said:
Someone needs to tell the BBC that the camera you shoot on DOESN'T MATTER as long as your story is great! :evil:
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Well, I suppose when you have nothing but great stories to choose from (that are all shot on different cameras) then you have the luxury of choosing.
 
Well, I suppose when you have nothing but great stories to choose from that are all shot on different cameras then you have the luxury of choosing.
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Heh....indeed. That's why I added the "evil" icon after the comment. In other words....the camera you shoot on DOES MATTER. That's not to say that a DUMB story shot on an Arri ALEXA is better than an INCREDIBLE story shot on the T2i....but....we're NOT in a place (yet) where shooting on any random camera has NO IMPACT on the future distribution options of that "incredible story".

It seems that there are cases where it's like having a Bachelor's Degree in college. It doesn't guarantee ANYTHING....but if you can choose....get one....because ~SOME~ opportunities may not be available to you if you don't. That doesn't mean that you can't succeed (without one - IE: Bill Gates)....but....all things being equal: Tell a great story and do it will the highest quality and most beautiful/appropriate IQ as possible. Some limitations that some cameras present can get in the way of achieving that objective.

EDIT: And if that ^ isn't true....what is a cinematographer's job? And if evaluating cameras, lenses, lights, workflows, etc, etc, to produce those images isn't a part of that (camera isn't everything, I know)....but it IS A PART of it....and it IS the cinematographer's job to address this. And isn't that why we all spend time on this forum? Camera ain't everything....but it ain't nothing either. IT MATTERS. (ps: It matters to BBC)
 
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HHL said:
That's not to say that a DUMB story shot on an Arri ALEXA is better than an INCREDIBLE story shot on the T2i....but....we're NOT in a place (yet) where shooting on any random camera has NO IMPACT on the future distribution options of that "incredible story".
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Yes, I definitely understand all of that, and it makes sense. I wish I could afford the Arri Alexa. However, I do have to start somewhere, and for me, getting the AF100 is a good start!

I think the AF100 could be a good match for me with my independent film work. I only hope to pick up some lower profile work too. I am really just curious about what all of this means for TV distribution in general.
 
Creative Video just tweeted: "Correction: It's 50Mb/s or higher you have to record on the Nanoflash with the AF101 for BBC to accept!" They are a kit dealer in the UK.
 
it seems random that the canon 5d is on the list but the af100 has to be used with the nanoflash at a certain data rate. i assume that's erring on the side of caution because it is a new camera?
 
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