too good to be true?

Hmmm, that sounds reasonable, but there's been a lot of buzz that it's possible
that the P2 pricing may come down before the HVX200's release.
 
They have no HVX's on order. They are going to take your deposit, hang on to it for a few months and then deliver after the rest of us have our cams.
 
evinsky said:
They have no HVX's on order. They are going to take your deposit, hang on to it for a few months and then deliver after the rest of us have our cams.
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How do you know this? I ordered from them and they say they have ordered.
 
Specialized is an authorized Panasonic reseller, and also a service center. They are also advertising here, they bought some banner ads. Andrew Hoffman of Spec-Comm is a frequent participant here on the forum, I'm sure he'll weigh in and answer your questions directly.
 
unless I have this wrong, but i don't think anyone is doing the math on this one...

$500 deposit + $5499.00 = $5999....i believe thats $5 higher than the list price.
$500 deposit + $8899.00 = $9399....9,995.00? $596 savings? I guess thats okay

*Take additional 2% off for pre-payment in full with certified check for a savings of $110-$178.

$9399 - 2%($187) = lowest $9211, but 2% isn't really 187 of the full package, you really only get $178?

So total cost for 2 P2 cards are $3211, FS seems to be the better consumer decision.
So I don't see a big excitement about this. I had to, i'll stick with EVS' $5,994.95
 
Barry_Green said:
Specialized is an authorized Panasonic reseller, and also a service center. They are also advertising here, they bought some banner ads. Andrew Hoffman of Spec-Comm is a frequent participant here on the forum, I'm sure he'll weigh in and answer your questions directly.
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BTW, Andrew, please answer us if will you sell 25p/50i version too? If yes, also when available? At same (24p/60i) price? And the (25p/50i) camera-only bundle too? (euro > dollar: The euro is currently $1.2138 US - the US price is 21,38% less - that's why folks!)
 
Emanuel said:
(euro > dollar, that's why folks!)
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Why's that relevant? If they sell it, they'll sell it in dollars (I'd guess), and whatever the exchange rate is at the time will be the euro price. Not sure what you mean.
 
Bluestar you have it wrong it's . The price is $5,499 plus 2% off if you pay in full. Put a deposit of $500 and you pay the difference. I know because I ordered.
 
Sorry David! (my last edit, at same time of your post/question: :) )

Emanuel said:
(...)euro > dollar: The euro is currently $1.2138 US - the US price is 21,38% less - that's why folks!
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yes the deposit gets deducted from the total price, not added on. Spec is an authorized dealer as barry mentioned, and have been around for years as one of the top repair houses in the US.

As for the exact shipping date, you will hafta ask them when they expect shipping.
 
Well my bad, that is a good deal for the HVX. But Im guessing the 2% last until it comes out right? If that's the case, I'd stick to reviews before I put money into something not out yet. If I see a good image, you can bet I'll buy from this place. Makes me wonder if EVS will fight or match this price.
 
David Jimerson said:
Emanuel said:
Barry_Green said:
Specialized is an authorized Panasonic reseller, and also a service center. They are also advertising here, they bought some banner ads. Andrew Hoffman of Spec-Comm is a frequent participant here on the forum, I'm sure he'll weigh in and answer your questions directly.
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BTW, Andrew, please answer us if will you sell 25p/50i version too? If yes, also when available? At same (24p/60i) price? And the (25p/50i) camera-only bundle too? (euro > dollar: The euro is currently $1.2138 US - the US price is 21,38% less - that's why folks!)
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Why's that relevant? If they sell it, they'll sell it in dollars (I'd guess), and whatever the exchange rate is at the time will be the euro price. Not sure what you mean.
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Yes, indeed, you're right! But it's possible, in Europe, to open a bank account in dollars and, of course, control the exchange rate... (that's why I also ask, all over again, why not 24p/60i instead in PAL regions?)

Hope it helps!
 
Emanuel said:
(that's why I also ask, all over again, why not 24p/60i instead in PAL regions?)
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Are you asking if PAL users should buy the 24p/60i version? The answer is a resounding NO. The 24p/60i version won't work with any television in a PAL country, won't allow you to use the camera to produce commercials or broadcast programming, won't be useful for "home movies", won't get you jobs as a "stringer" shooting for news organizations or anything like that. And would likely have poor resale value if you decided to sell it in the future.

I can't think of any solid reason why someone in a PAL country would want to buy the 24p/60i US NTSC version. Seems like a bad idea all around.
 
Barry_Green said:
Are you asking if PAL users should buy the 24p/60i version? The answer is a resounding NO. The 24p/60i version won't work with any television in a PAL country, won't allow you to use the camera to produce commercials or broadcast programming, won't be useful for "home movies", won't get you jobs as a "stringer" shooting for news organizations or anything like that. And would likely have poor resale value if you decided to sell it in the future.

I can't think of any solid reason why someone in a PAL country would want to buy the 24p/60i US NTSC version. Seems like a bad idea all around.
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Thanks Barry for your reanswer! But besides your american pragmatic way of thinking, we - the latin europeans - we have also the "our pragmatic way of thinking"...
Barry_Green said:
(...)I can't think of any solid reason why someone in a PAL country would want to buy the 24p/60i US NTSC version(...)
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...and there are a lot of tones of grey in this business (for a 24p/60i deal):

[1]
The euro is currently $1.2138 US - the US price is 21,38% less!

[2]
More: film-out suitable (as far as my work is concerned, the mine is filmmaking and the theatrical release goes on film by now) or this cam is not a guerilla tool for DIGITAL FILMmakers and not only for other agents/workers in this activity (wedding events, news, etc.)?

[3]
NTSC suitable for NTSC regions export (PAL for NTSC is not the same that NTSC for PAL, isn't it?)

Problems:

[1st] Fluorescent lights flickering that the "Synchro Scan Shutter Speeds" can solve? Is there 1/50 mode in HVX 1080/24p recording mode, isn't it?

[2nd] (future) Software solution in post-production (for instance: DVfilm's Atlantis? Cineform?)

[...rd/st others] Which?
 
some good points emanuel.. if your target market is film or NTSC, then of course its the right model for you.

I know you guys kinda get raped in pricing over there, so the 20% is a pretty nice differences. I know tons of people that hoped on a flight from London to NY just to goto BH and buy cameras, the plane ticket and all expenses still came out under the Euro/Pound price.
 
Frankly, I'm thinking to buy a 24p/60i now...and a 25p/50i for PAL work, as second purchase (but with this exchange rate maybe with a fly-away).

'cause the 1080/24p or 1080/25p (as well 60p to 24p or unaffordable 50p to 25p in 720p for slow-motion purposes) will be the only recording mode of my cam
- ? (we will see!) -
or I'll be waiting for the HVX200A...

But only after a HVXbook purchase (prepare it with a solution for 1080/24p to 1080/25p - a value added, if possible, Barry, despite your opinion about a 24p/60i also for PAL users) and an unconditional (my) OK to this HVX.
 
Barry_Green said:
(...)won't allow you to use the camera to produce commercials or broadcast programming, won't be useful for "home movies"(...)
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Barry_Green said:
Are you asking if PAL users should buy the 24p/60i version? The answer is a resounding NO. The 24p/60i version won't work with any television in a PAL country(...)
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Even with a future software solution in post-production - as we well know THIS is necessary in any professional environment/work, so?... - like, DVfilm's Atlantis or Cineform @ 1080/24p for 1080/25p? [now they have it @ SD]
 
For those wanting to make a film, as in actual celluloid, shooting on a video camera is false economy. You'll spend $30,000 to transfer the video to film, and for that kind of coin you could have shot on film in the first place.

The overwhelmingly extremely vast majority of works made with the HVX (and all video cameras) are going to be seen on a television. So wouldn't you want to get a camera that works with the television system used by your entire continent?

Converting 24p to 25p is no big deal, it's been done for decades. Made-for-TV movies (even those shot on film) in Europe are shot at 25fps, because 25 is the proper frame rate to work with European television. If those same films were to be exported to the US, they'd be converted to 24. And yes, there's a 4% speed difference, and yes there's the issue of time-stretching the audio. But there are established workflows and established businesses that do this sort of work all the time.

So the question you have to ask yourself is: are you willing to get a product that won't work with your television system, won't be usable for camera-for-hire type of work, won't let you hire yourself out as a shooter, won't have a warranty in your country, and won't carry any reasonable level of resale value, all to just try to protect the 1-in-4000 chance that you'll be transferring your work to film?

Sorry, I just don't see the logic. I can't imagine how someone would justify all the extra hassles each and every time they use it, just for the sake of one extra frame per second. If you want to get in the business of shooting weddings, shooting television commercials, hiring yourself out as a shooter, getting jobs as a news stringer, or anything like that: the 24p/60i camera is not going to let you do that in Europe. At least, not without a lot of (unnecessary) hassles.

If your 25p film is utterly brilliant and warrants international distribution, you can convert it to 24. But to cripple your capabilities right off the bat, just in the hopes that maybe maybe maybe you'll make something that will get transferred, even though the odds are about 4,000 to 1 against it ever happening: -- well, hey, let's put it this way -- it's your money, you can do what you want. But it sure isn't the way I'd go.
 
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