Thinking about selling 5D and lenses and buying 60D

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isle

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At the moment I own 5D MKII, 16-35/2.8 II, 50/1.4 and 85/1.8.

Earlier this week I was thinking about buying 24-105/4 IS for video use with my 5D vs buying 60D + IS zoom to go with my 5D. Now I'm thinking about selling my 5D and at least the 16-35/2.8 II and buying 60D and some new lenses.

I use the camera for both video and stills, maybe 60/40. These are the two main reasons for wanting the 60D:

1. Flip screen.

Sometimes it's really annoying to shoot video without the flip screen. I you have to hold the camera around your navel level and shoot handheld, even framing is pain in the ass because you have to be in a very unpleasent body position to see the screen. With flip screen I could just stand straight and moving would be way easier. Low angles are another pain, but what is the hardest without flip screen is sideways movements + the mid low angle (navel level). You pretty much just have to get lucky to get it good.

2. 720p/60p

Not as big bonus as the first one, but still great when wanting slow motion.

And the reason why I'm considering selling the 5D is that if shooting both video and stills with same sensor size, I would learn to "see" the focal lenghts in my mind easier. If I use 5D for all the stills and some video and 60D for most video, I would have to use always different lens to get the same FOV on both cameras and it feels a bit complicated way of working vs if shooting video and stills using same sensor.

I know 5D has superior image quality for stills, but I don't use my 5D for large prints and I haven't yet read how much there's quality differences in video between these two. I would lose a bit from the shallow DOF if going with 60D, but I think that's ok for video, a bit downer for stills. Not the end of the world though.

I haven't really counted how much I would get from 5D and the 16-35/2.8 II and how much I would have to pay for the 60D plus lenses, but I'm going to count that in a moment.

Basicly the 60D set would include:

Tokina 11-16/2.8
Canon 17-55/2.8 IS
Sigma 30/1.4
Canon 50/1.4
Canon 85/1.8

And if staying with 5D my set would look like (after getting the IS lens for handheld stuff):

16-35/2.8 II
Canon 24-105/4 IS
Canon 50/1.4
Canon 85/1.8

Give your thoughts :)
 
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Basicly the 60D set would include:

Tokina 11-16/2.8
Canon 17-55/2.8 IS
Sigma 30/1.4
Canon 50/1.4
Canon 85/1.8


Sounds Like a Dream come true for anyone using a 60d ( Myself Included )
 
vision_filmz said:
Basicly the 60D set would include:

Tokina 11-16/2.8
Canon 17-55/2.8 IS
Sigma 30/1.4
Canon 50/1.4
Canon 85/1.8


Sounds Like a Dream come true for anyone using a 60d ( Myself Included )
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I made some counting and with the money I would get by selling the 5D and 16-35/2.8 II I could buy 60D, Canon 17-55/2.8 IS, Tokina 11-16/2.8 and Sigma 30/1.4. I own the 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 already so no money would go for those.
 
And the reason why I'm considering selling the 5D is that if shooting both video and stills with same sensor size, I would learn to "see" the focal lenghts in my mind easier.
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I don't follow this at all. Can you explain this.

Are you aware that the 5d has a slightly cleaner image? better low light capabilities? While not huge it is there. Just be happy with what you have. I actually wish to upgrade to a full frame next. If I were you and I owned a 5d I would not sell it. But in the end do what makes you happy.

I own a 7d, at one time wanted a 60d or a T2i but didn't go for it. Now I am just really happy I stuck it out with my 7d. I love it. Also I shoot run and gun and lots of different situations and having the sealed 7d in Italy under pouring rain was great. The ruggedness what really worth it.

I would say rent a 60d and shoot with it for a while try it out. Do more research. I probably would go for a T2i before going for a 60d. But if the monitor is important for you then good then. I have that exact set you want excluding the 50 1.4 but I have other lenses in addition. I would rather have full frame lenses with my full frame camera. I am building up to that set. I personally have got to the point now where I really think spending money on an L lens is worth it in my opinion.

I am starting to sell off all my non L lenses and making the transition over. I currently have up for sale the 17-55 2.8 IS. While it is an amazing lens in terms of image quality and IS the lens actually accumulated dust inside and I had to send it to Canon yesterday to have them open up the lens and clean out the dust. (would not happen with sealed L lenses) By the way this lens is known to have that dust problem. I read it online before I bought it but thought it wouldn't happen to me.... well it did. If I were you I would not sell the L lenses. Not at all!!!

16-35/2.8 II
Canon 24-105/4 IS
Canon 50/1.4
Canon 85/1.8
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To me this is a solid full frame set! Nice choices. It would be killer even to have that set for your 60d.
 
draven4 said:
I don't follow this at all. Can you explain this.
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Well, if I shoot video with 60D and then go to shoot stills with 5D with specific framing in mind, I would have to always think "what focal lenght would it be on 60D" and vice versa. If you just shoot with one sensor size, you think everything through that sensor size. Same goes for DOF. I don't know how to better explain it.

Are you aware that the 5d has a slightly cleaner image? better low light capabilities? While not huge it is there. Just be happy with what you have. I actually wish to upgrade to a full frame next. If I were you and I owned a 5d I would not sell it. But in the end do what makes you happy.

I own a 7d, at one time wanted a 60d or a T2i but didn't go for it. Now I am just really happy I stuck it out with my 7d. I love it. Also I shoot run and gun and lots of different situations and having the sealed 7d in Italy under pouring rain was great. The ruggedness what really worth it.

I would say rent a 60d and shoot with it for a while try it out. Do more research. I probably would go for a T2i before going for a 60d. But if the monitor is important for you then good then. I have that exact set you want excluding the 50 1.4 but I have other lenses in addition. I would rather have full frame lenses with my full frame camera. I am building up to that set. I personally have got to the point now where I really think spending money on an L lens is worth it in my opinion.

I am starting to sell off all my non L lenses and making the transition over. I currently have up for sale the 17-55 2.8 IS. While it is an amazing lens in terms of image quality and IS the lens actually accumulated dust inside and I had to send it to Canon yesterday to have them open up the lens and clean out the dust. (would not happen with sealed L lenses) By the way this lens is known to have that dust problem. I read it online before I bought it but thought it wouldn't happen to me.... well it did. If I were you I would not sell the L lenses. Not at all!!!

To me this is a solid full frame set! Nice choices. It would be killer even to have that set for your 60d.
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I know 5D has one stop advantage on ISO and slightly better (noticable) IQ on stills, but I'm not sure about the IQ differences on video mode. Like I said, I don't do large prints so the slightly better IQ on stills isn't that important.

T2i doesn't have flip screen so it's no no. That's the biggest reason why I'm looking to change from 5D. I've never liked external monitors and rigs and rails and all the stuff needed for them. And I've learned that those are must if you don't like to take the take 20 times because your framing was off or stopping shooting because your back hurts because you were moving in such a wierd positions. Also the 60D has two rolls, not push buttons for aperture like t2i or 600D.

I don't see any value to go with L lenses if you don't shoot in really dirty, wet etc conditions. The difference in IQ isn't that big (or at all, might be worse too in some cases) when compared to good non L lenses from Canon, Sigma or Tokina. In video mode the difference is even smaller. And you are not going to shoot wide open with 5D and L primes that's for sure. You will have 0.1cm of usable DOF if you do. Also, the difference in L 1.2 vs non L 1.4 or 1.8 isn't anything in real life. I own the 16-35/2.8 II because I wanted 2.8 zoom to cover the wide end. I don't need to have any faster lenses in that area either and the IQ was great. Tokina 11-16 seems to have even better sharpness corner to corner. Only reason to go with L is if you have FF camera and you want a zoom or IS lens that is not available on non L EF or from other manufacturers.

You can tell why you see the valua on going with L lenses.

Yes that is the best bang for buck for FF in my opinion, thought I don't own the 24-105/4.
 
Respectfully, I don't agree with what you say but I think you're entitled to sell your camera if you want to.

I think many people miss the point that it's the subtle differences in the lens world. Besides it's almost always going to be subtle differences between lenses. People miss this point. Of course you're not going to see a huge difference. It's a lens. It's trying to show what you see in front of it. It's not like you're going to see a drastically different image. What is it supposed to be completely yellow, or fogged up, so lack so much contrast between one lens or another. Of course not. But in the lens world the difference is subtle. That's the way it is. See the logic. So you pay for subtle differences, bottom line. What do people expect??? a drastically different image when you look through two different lenses?? No then it would have a major problem. Am I making sense.

Being able to open up an fstop more is a real life saver in a situation where you really need it. There are times when I'm really glad I had that extra amount.

Lastly... sounds like you've made up your mind. So why post and ask us questions?? Just go buy it if it makes you happy.
 
draven4 said:
Respectfully, I don't agree with what you say but I think you're entitled to sell your camera if you want to.

I think many people miss the point that it's the subtle differences in the lens world. Besides it's almost always going to be subtle differences between lenses. People miss this point. Of course you're not going to see a huge difference. It's a lens. It's trying to show what you see in front of it. It's not like you're going to see a drastically different image. What is it supposed to be completely yellow, or fogged up, so lack so much contrast between one lens or another. Of course not. But in the lens world the difference is subtle. That's the way it is. See the logic. So you pay for subtle differences, bottom line. What do people expect??? a drastically different image when you look through two different lenses?? No then it would have a major problem. Am I making sense.

Being able to open up an fstop more is a real life saver in a situation where you really need it. There are times when I'm really glad I had that extra amount.

Lastly... sounds like you've made up your mind. So why post and ask us questions?? Just go buy it if it makes you happy.
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I respectfully disagree with you. the 5d may allow more light in & you can push a higher iso, but that doesn't really mean the image is cleaner.

Also the lock feature on the 60d knob is priceless so is the swivel screen. Matter of fact the t3i might be even better just for it's digital zoom. Sure the 5d is an excellent camera, but I would rather have a 60d and those lenses more.
 
If you shoot video with 85/1.8 and you say you shot it with 85/1.2, people will (even the one in business) believe you. No one will notice the difference. The difference can be noticed on side by side comprasions, but it doesn't make any difference to your work or how people see it in real life. There are plenty of videos where both 7D and 5D are used and the videos look like they were shot with one camera only. That is my point. But more power to you if the red ring makes you feel better.

edit: and I haven't made up my mind yet. no reason to get angry here.
 
I'd keep the 5d and 16-35L and just buy a T3i. The combo of both bodies and those lenses with the 3x on the T3i would give you an increddible array of choices for any shot between 16mm and 500mm. Your premium L glass is what will make that 3x crop/zoom really shine on a T3i. It's best kept secret is the ability to put on a wider lens or step back if possible and get a perfect moire free image with the press of two bottons when needed!

The Tokina 11-16 would be nice, but it's not as wide on the crop body as the 16 and 5D combo. The IS of a 24-105 would be nice too, but I found I can't really hand hold one past 50mm even with it on. It's still too shakey for my taste. A steadicam would be a better tool for the money IMHO.

In the end of the day these things are tools and having the largest tool box for the least hassle factor is what allows you to be the most productive.

Cheers,
Pete
 
IMHO the T3i/600D is a much more compelling choice than the 60D. It's 3/4 of the price & has the super 3X 1920x1080 crop mode. The Canon 17-55mm F/2.8 IS EF-S lens is a great lens to keep on it all the time. I have been shooting video with a 5DII for over two years & for the last few months I have been struggling with a Panasonic GH2 that shoots great video but is an ergonomic nightmare. I just bought a 600D to complement my 5DII & couldn't be happier.
 
nigelbb said:
IMHO the T3i/600D is a much more compelling choice than the 60D. It's 3/4 of the price & has the super 3X 1920x1080 crop mode. The Canon 17-55mm F/2.8 IS EF-S lens is a great lens to keep on it all the time. I have been shooting video with a 5DII for over two years & for the last few months I have been struggling with a Panasonic GH2 that shoots great video but is an ergonomic nightmare. I just bought a 600D to complement my 5DII & couldn't be happier.
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600D doesn't have ISO 160, 320 or 640 which are the native ISO's with least noise. 600D also lags the second roll, top LCD and don't have as good casing.

c3hammer said:
The Tokina 11-16 would be nice, but it's not as wide on the crop body as the 16 and 5D combo. The IS of a 24-105 would be nice too, but I found I can't really hand hold one past 50mm even with it on. It's still too shakey for my taste. A steadicam would be a better tool for the money IMHO.

In the end of the day these things are tools and having the largest tool box for the least hassle factor is what allows you to be the most productive.

Cheers,
Pete
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I will get IS lens for handheld stuff, either the 17-55/2.8 IS if going with 60D/600D route or 24-105/4 if staying with 5D, because 24-105/4 with crop isn't wide enough. Thing with steadicam is that it takes away a lot of freedom you have when handhelding and can't be used on tight places.

Not sure about the difference in 16mm and 17.6mm (FF). Can't really think any situation where the shot wouldn't have been possible with 17.6mm.

So if going with two bodies, I would use the 60D and 17-55/2.8 IS for handheld stuff and in situations where the flip screen or 720p/60p is needed, and 5D in hte rest of the situations. That feels like a more hassle than than just hvaing a one body.

Also, if going with 60D/600D and 17-55/2.8 IS I iwll need to spend around 2000€. If I sell the 5D and 16.35/2.8 II and buy the crop lens set mentioned earlier I wouldn't have to spend anything.

I need search some 60D/600D/7D vs 5D video comparisons now :p
 
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isle said:
600D doesn't have ISO 160, 320 or 640 which are the native ISO's with least noise. 600D also lags the second roll, top LCD and don't have as good casing.
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I have a 5DII & never use the top LCD & the difference in noise between ISO 160/320/640 & ISO 100/200/400/800 is marginal at best. I am not sure what you mean by the 'second roll' that the 600D 'lags' but suspect one or more typos. I don't think that the 60D is noticeably more robust than the 600D as it too has a plastic body unlike the metal body of the 5DII or 7D. Incidentally the 600D also lacks the ability to dial in the WB in degrees Kelvin although you can do a Custom WB by taking a photo of a gray/white card just like the other Canon DSLRS.

The killer advantage for shooting events of the 600D over the 60D is the 3X 1920x1080 crop mode that effectively gives another free lens at just a couple of button pushes. With just the 17-55mm lens you can cover the range of about 27-88mm & 81-264mm (full frame equivalent) without changing lenses. The 60D does have an extra crop mode but only at 640x480.
 
isle said:
Not sure about the difference in 16mm and 17.6mm (FF). Can't really think any situation where the shot wouldn't have been possible with 17.6mm.
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The crop factor of the APS-C sensor is 1.6X so 16mm becomes 25.6mm full frame equivalent not 17.6mm.
 
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