Thanks that helps ;D
but yeah, we will see how the working with 60D is vs 5D and what are the differences in IQ. I will post results here too.
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Thinking about selling 5D and lenses and buying 60D
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but yeah, we will see how the working with 60D is vs 5D and what are the differences in IQ. I will post results here too.
I always use the top LCD with my 5D and when you tape the back LCD for specific aspect ratio you have to use the top LCD because you can't see the numbers on the back LCD.I have a 5DII & never use the top LCD & the difference in noise between ISO 160/320/640 & ISO 100/200/400/800 is marginal at best.
Here's comparison of the 60D's ISO's: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewschar/5672069943/sizes/l/in/photostream/
HansSteinert
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Can you give some reasons?
F4 on a full frame camera within the 35-60mm range is absolutely perfect for interviews. You get a really nice blurred background, but the DOF isn't shallow to the point where you're constantly missing focus as one would if shooting f1.4 - f2.8 full frame. Quite frankly, those apertures only work well in controlled environments with full frame cameras because the DOF is simply too shallow. Speaking of which, it's incredible sharp at f4 even though that's wide open for this lens. Check out reviews: it has very very high resolution at f4.
IS helps a crap ton for guerrilla video
It has 24-105mm range on full frame... you've got wide angle to telephoto covered in a single lens
5D mark II's noise performance allows you to use iso 1250 and even 2500 without many problems, meaning that despite having an f4 lens, you're still good in dark areas.
5D mark II + this lens = weather sealing which helps for guirilla work in meh locations
Build quality... 5D mark II > 60D. The rubber gripping on my 60D is already pealing off after 5 months of use <_<
60D uses SD cards. I prefer what the 5D mark II uses because I'm less likely to lose it (this really isn't a significant point)
I have a 60D... and I'm thinking about switching to this combo. The swivel screen comes in handy when doing very crazy shots, but honestly when I'm runnin' n gunnin', I almost always have a viewfinder with the screen back in its default location. Get yourself some good ND filters, buy this lens, and you're set for indoor and outdoor work.
If you do studio work and you need uber-epic-zomg-this-is-almost too-shallow DOF, one thing I would recommend is selling your Canon 50mm f1.4 and grabbing either a Sigma 50mm f1.4 or a Zeiss 50mm f1.4. Both aren't that much more expensive, and the quality difference is very significant below f4.
I would also recommend investing in battery grip.
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This really is same for all cameras and lesnes since you can always stop down if you have too shallow DOF. btw, I don't do interviews. Yes, there isn't really any major IQ differences on 17-5/2.8 IS and 24-105/4 IS.F4 on a full frame camera within the 35-60mm range is absolutely perfect for interviews. You get a really nice blurred background, but the DOF isn't shallow to the point where you're constantly missing focus as one would if shooting f1.4 - f2.8 full frame. Quite frankly, those apertures only work well in controlled environments with full frame cameras because the DOF is simply too shallow. Speaking of which, it's incredible sharp at f4 even though that's wide open for this lens. Check out reviews: it has very very high resolution at f4.
Yeah that's why I will get IS lens.IS helps a crap ton for guerrilla video
Yup it has longer range.It has 24-105mm range on full frame... you've got wide angle to telephoto covered in a single lens
Going over 1250 is a no no if the project has to have nice IQ. If the noise doesn't matter going to 2500 or 5000 is the same.5D mark II's noise performance allows you to use iso 1250 and even 2500 without many problems, meaning that despite having an f4 lens, you're still good in dark areas.
I protect my camera same way no matter what sealing it has.5D mark II + this lens = weather sealing which helps for guirilla work in meh locations
Yep 5D has edge on these.Build quality... 5D mark II > 60D. The rubber gripping on my 60D is already pealing off after 5 months of use <_<
60D uses SD cards. I prefer what the 5D mark II uses because I'm less likely to lose it (this really isn't a significant point)
I've used "flip screen" since it was introduced to camcorders. I've never liked to shoot video looking the viewfinder.I have a 60D... and I'm thinking about switching to this combo. The swivel screen comes in handy when doing very crazy shots, but honestly when I'm runnin' n gunnin', I almost always have a viewfinder with the screen back in its default location. Get yourself some good ND filters, buy this lens, and you're set for indoor and outdoor work.
Canon is the sharper from the two: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/...meraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0If you do studio work and you need uber-epic-zomg-this-is-almost too-shallow DOF, one thing I would recommend is selling your Canon 50mm f1.4 and grabbing either a Sigma 50mm f1.4 or a Zeiss 50mm f1.4. Both aren't that much more expensive, and the quality difference is very significant below f4.
I don't like to use battery grip for either video or stills.I would also recommend investing in battery grip.
But like I said I will most likely order the 60D and 17-55/2.8 IS in the next few weeks and test them out. If the IQ difference on both video and stills aren't enough to me, I will sell the 5D. I have good eyes, but I also have realistic eyes. So I can't be sure which way to go before I've tested and seen the differences in my own eyes.
HansSteinert
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This really is same for all cameras and lesnes since you can always stop down if you have too shallow DOF. btw, I don't do interviews. Yes, there isn't really any major IQ differences on 17-5/2.8 IS and 24-105/4 IS.
Is the focus ring and zoom on par with the L in terms of build/smoothness?
Going over 1250 is a no no if the project has to have nice IQ. If the noise doesn't matter going to 2500 or 5000 is the same.
1250 looks real good on a 5D II. 2500 is acceptable. With my 60D, I never go over 1250, but with a 5D you can get away with 2500 if you're exposing the scene well.
I've used "flip screen" since it was introduced to camcorders. I've never liked to shoot video looking the viewfinder.p
Shooting without a viewfinder out on a sunny day is a *****, though.
Canon is the sharper from the two: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/...meraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
Other way around. I think you're reading the chart backwards.
Also:
http://lenstip.com/177.4-Lens_review-Sigma_50_mm_f_1.4_EX_DG_HSM_Image_resolution.html
vs
http://lenstip.com/216.4-Lens_review-Canon_EF_50_mm_f_1.4_USM_Image_resolution.html
I bought a Canon originally and switched to the Sigma because under f2, it simply wasn't delivering. Since I shoot APS-C atm, I do like to get around f2 and below for close up dialogue shots in controlled environments.
I don't like to use battery grip for either video or stills.
Really, how come? For photography, it makes shooting sideways so much easier.
But like I said I will most likely order the 60D and 17-55/2.8 IS in the next few weeks and test them out. If the IQ difference on both video and stills aren't enough to me, I will sell the 5D. I have good eyes, but I also have realistic eyes. So I can't be sure which way to go before I've tested and seen the differences in my own eyes.
The 60D has the better value in terms of price vs performance. However, I do think the 5D is better for film. Not 3x better, which is why I currently have a 60D... but still better. So, if budget is a concern, snag a 60D. But since you already have a 5D, I would recommend keeping that and going with the 24-105 IS lens.
Objectively the video out of the GH2 is demonstrably better than any of the Canon DSLRs. Higher resolution, little or no moire & aliasing, less noise even at highest ISO. Whether you prefer the overall look or not is another matter. I think that the GH2 image looks too much like video even at 24p. The smaller sensor gives a greater depth of field & there is a real lack of wide lenses because of the 2X crop factor & even fewer with a wide aperture.Okay, obviously you can get great stuff out of the GH series/ m4/3 cameras, but you can't just argue for arguing sake that its images are on par with Canon APS-C. Simply not true, no matter which way you chop and screw it.
Also there will be new updated crop bodies every year, with FF you have to wait 3 years to get new model and like now with 5D it will take over 2 years to get features that are on cheap crop cameras. Year after 5D MKII is released there will be already cheap crop bodies with better features. Then there's the money difference, crop's costing around 1/3. Cheaper lenses etc.
WhiteMonkey
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Keep the 5D and get a nice set of Nikon primes or if you've got the money get the Zeiss Compact Primes with a Nikon mount (more compatible with other camera systems.)
Or how about if I buy waterproof case instead? Thanks for reading the first post before replying :shocked:Keep the 5D and get a nice set of Nikon primes or if you've got the money get the Zeiss Compact Primes with a Nikon mount (more compatible with other camera systems.)
WhiteMonkey
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That's my advice. I wouldn't buy the lenses your suggesting. I'd think about shooting differently, shedding some of the technology. A 5D with those lenses would kick ass, esp. the Zeiss CP. I've seen a set of old Nikons on a 7D and it'll blow away anything you can create with the lenses proposed. I'm just talking about the quality of the image. So yeah, I'm paying attention. How about a "why would you say that?" next time instead of some clever put-down?
vision_filmz
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Because I made it super clear that I'm getting the IS lens for handheld shooting.
Is is Good, but sometimes bad. When you have a lot of movement using a lens with IS on it actually creates a very nasty wobble with your image. Be very careful using IS, sometimes it's hit or miss.
You just have to know what you are doing. If you are trying to keep the camera still while handholding then IS will do a great job. If you do whip pans & move the camera about it will make the picture worse. If you use an IS lens on a tripod you should switch off the IS before panning.Is is Good, but sometimes bad. When you have a lot of movement using a lens with IS on it actually creates a very nasty wobble with your image. Be very careful using IS, sometimes it's hit or miss.
WhiteMonkey
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Because I made it super clear that I'm getting the IS lens for handheld shooting.
I made the simple suggestion you change the way you're thinking about shooting handheld. IS is off in any case. From what I understand, it will soften your image.
I made the simple suggestion you change the way you're thinking about shooting handheld. IS is off in any case. That was one of the first DLSR rules I learned.
I don't want to use tripod and steadicam all the time. With camera only you can get the camere to tight places too and make movements that aren't possible with bigger setups.
WhiteMonkey
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I like to throw in for a dolly and jib and yes you can get into tighter spaces and make movements that aren't possible with a bigger rig but all of that speaks of the language of camcorders. Even though we were doing computer animation, we were taught to use prime lenses on our virtual cameras and to move them as you would on a "real set." Some of the students went as far as to build elaborate rigs for the cameras. There's a language to large sweeping moves and prime lenses that is cinematic.
Good luck. I'm sure you know all of this. These things can be difficult to explain.
Good luck. I'm sure you know all of this. These things can be difficult to explain.
vision_filmz
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This thread seems like it's going in circles & honestly a Mod should just lock it. These Dslr cameras are very inexpensive & there is NO reason not to own two of them , especially when you already own one of the most expensive. People that own a 5d will compliment their camera with a t2i, or something similar.
I vote to have this thread Locked.
I vote to have this thread Locked.
vision_filmz
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Yeah lets lock all threads you don't like.
No only the pointless ones such as this..... I have never met one professional videographer wanting to switch his camera for a lesser one. Especially when something like this is so cheap. It's like you deciding on what Home to buy or something? If you properly know how to use a 5d and shoot great footage then why would you ever want anything else that would not be as good or better? Seems like this thread was created for shock purposes only, that's why it has no point here.