indiawilds
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One can very clearly see the extra details in the RAW. Awesome.
C200: Thinking about buying one...
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One can very clearly see the extra details in the RAW. Awesome.
siliconlife
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This might be the best set of shots I've seen to properly demonstrate how solid the 12bit RAW is on the C200. Now I really want one lol.
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It appears that a lot of people suffer from heart racing, cold sweats and mood change after reading my posts.
Also, a lot of them accidentally tapped the unhelpful arrow after reading it.
This post is one of that kind of posts.
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Yes, yes, of course, Resolve is the best.
Resolve's CC capability are driving competitors out of the market, not their pricing strategy.
As you can see, my memory doesn't serve me well, could you be a doll and briefly refresh our collective memories in which cases it shines over the ones listed few posts back?
puredrifting
Major Contributor
No, 23.98, 24.0, 25 and 29.97 only.
Same with VFR, 120 fps only, which I find strange, no way to step through lower frame rates. You can always speed that up in post but you cannot get the more stuttery slow motion look if you want that.
Matt Gottshalk
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Well, that's annoying.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
As a C200 owner, this is just one small annoyance amongst a much larger list of annoyances the camera has. While I don't regret buying it, this camera is the first Canon I have owned where I feel that they shipped it too early, there are too many operational glitches that can really screw you over if you are not aware of them. I came really close to completely blowing a very high profile, once in a lifetime shoot because of the way the C200 comes from the factory. The issue was that the HDMI and SDI output comes from the factory outputting the magnify feature via HDMI and SDI, which if you are relying on delivering the HDMI or SDI feed, recorded with an Atomos or CD recorder as your deliverable, would completely ruin your recording, as it did mine. Everytime I used the magnify feature, my feed to a Ninja Blade was ruined. Luckily I was also recording internal 4K .MP4 which I delivered to the client. But if I hadn't have been dual recording, I would have been completely hosed and lost a very good client. Yes, many just plain stupid setting issues with the C200 so far. The firmware update Terry Nixon just posted dosen't address any of them.
Same with the camera always defaulting back to 4K 60p when switching media shot, like from .MP4 to CFast or vice versa, camera defaults to 60p. If you were shooting 4K 24p dialog and then shot the rest of the day at 4K 60p because you didn't have the right screen overlay turned on to see that the camera defaulted back to 60p, you would be screwed. Almost happened to me, but I caught it. What the hell ever happened to constant state memory settings Canon, WTH?!?!?
Bassman2003
Veteran
That is surprising. Automatic settings are very non-pro and suck! Sounds like something you would come across in a DSLR, not a C-line camera.
I just had a whole day shooting with the C200 and I appreciate face tracking but it also screwed one shot. I had a person on stage and the lights when dim and when it did the AF just went completely wrong. I had the camera set to stop working AF if no face was detected but this time it just screwed me. I tried to manual focus but the camera just shifted focus as I got things in focus so it took me about 15-20 seconds to turn AF off.
It definitely needs light to "see" the faces. It's more tech than magic, and you're just butting up against it's limits. For a shot like you're describing, I'd recommend flicking the AF switch on the lens to off until the lights come up if possible.
There's also a mode I prefer where the camera assists you when manually focusing. Just get it in the ballpark and the camera will make it tack sharp for you.
macgregor
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NorBro
Major Contributor
Stay away from Canon high framerates, ha.
4K/60p RAW on the C200 is as good as it's been since the company was created. Not sure how the C700 does, but any camera below that has just been terrible with HFR recording.
YMMV though if you've shot with lower-end cameras (like the a7SII's 120p for example) and are pleased with the results...but RED and Blackmagic are in a different world.
4K/60p RAW on the C200 is as good as it's been since the company was created. Not sure how the C700 does, but any camera below that has just been terrible with HFR recording.
YMMV though if you've shot with lower-end cameras (like the a7SII's 120p for example) and are pleased with the results...but RED and Blackmagic are in a different world.
Alexander.M
Active member
What's wrong with the C200 4K/60P RAW? Looks pretty good to me.
It was just that I expected the camera to stop focusing if it couldn't find a face but it went bananas and completely out of focus and yes I solved it by turning to MF on the lens. But it caught me by surprise and I learned what not to do.
AndreeOnline
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From my perspective, you could increase the quality of this post in a number of ways. Less jabbing in the air and if you've really spotted issues, why not describe them in more detail so that others can verify? If you've identified a few things with REDs and URSAs that you like, why not mention those too, as a reference?
Any camera's reputation perpetually hangs on a very thin thread—that is the user operating it. Many potent, cheaper cameras will face their fate early on due to the fact that they attract "cheap camera users". Higher end systems will more likely be operated by experienced users. Admittedly, it's not a black or white scenario, but the trend is there. These simple facts of life will influence the material those cameras(?) produce.
I'm pretty certain the 4k60p from the C200 is quite alright. I'm open to being corrected.
NorBro
Major Contributor
The differences are black and white with the others and I'm pretty sure you know that hanging out on REDuser for many years. I'm not sure if you're just playing around or if I really need to state the obvious on the benefits of RED cameras and their industry-standard HFR recording...and/or how the BM URSAs are good too either with their dual raw option or ProRes 444XQ.
I mentioned the 4K/60p RAW (on the C200) is as good as it has been meaning it's...good. I like it. But I was talking about the 120p.
It's not a jab...anyone who has used other cinema cameras just understands. Canon was just never good at HFRs. Depending on the camera, it either looked soft or had line-skipping or pixel-binning.
4K/60p RAW (C200) from some of these recent samples looked really nice.
It's good...see above.
NorBro
Major Contributor
P.S. Probably should have said the best it has been...as good as it has been means it's been the same, haha.
But in short, 4K/60p RAW from the C200 is the best slow-motion Canon has ever put out if you consider that HFR.
But I think normal HFR recording is 120p-240p-300p and Canon's stinks (IMO).
Anything above is specialized HFR recording and that's a different conversation.
But in short, 4K/60p RAW from the C200 is the best slow-motion Canon has ever put out if you consider that HFR.
But I think normal HFR recording is 120p-240p-300p and Canon's stinks (IMO).
Anything above is specialized HFR recording and that's a different conversation.
AndreeOnline
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@NorBro OK
I read this comment as a reference to the general "understanding" that Canon has always sucked at HFR and that 4k60 raw sucks too ("same as it has always been", when you probably meant "the best yet"). I guess that was some misalignment between what you meant and what I understood.
The C200 records full sensor raw with 3x-5x compression at 60fps and 10 bit. I think that holds up kind of well, even when looking at more expensive systems. Especially if we let go from purely 'specs' and look at actual images.
But... credit where credit is due: RED certainly has an edge at 100fps+.
I read this comment as a reference to the general "understanding" that Canon has always sucked at HFR and that 4k60 raw sucks too ("same as it has always been", when you probably meant "the best yet"). I guess that was some misalignment between what you meant and what I understood.
The C200 records full sensor raw with 3x-5x compression at 60fps and 10 bit. I think that holds up kind of well, even when looking at more expensive systems. Especially if we let go from purely 'specs' and look at actual images.
But... credit where credit is due: RED certainly has an edge at 100fps+.