Ian-T
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Maybe it's your PC. It might not be fast enough.
The Panasonic G1HD | GH-1 Video Mode : A Real Video Mode
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Uwe Lansing
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Yes I did but i´m not an expert in it (pal land). I have to depend on what After Effects is doing for me automatically.
It´s the number 00008. Here is a snapshot:
It´s not really bad, but what about 00002 (1/50)?:
John Caballero
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You are going judge this cam frame by frame? That's just insane. You can't worry or judge this cam completely from footage you see from others. Its just a general idea of how it is performing. If you are a serious filmmaker you HAVE to take it in your very own two hands and test it yourself to make a final desicion from footage shot by yourself to your own knowledge and liking. We have to thank everybody that is contributing early footage for us to see and wait until we are able to take our very own footage.
Uwe Lansing
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Who is doing such a thing? ;-) But it´s the only poor possibility to show something what´s going on in a clip. You all like it? It´s fine by me, to each his own.
Hey, new here. Is this the result that other people are getting when converting or viewing this footage?
http://www.vimeo.com/4548896 00010.mts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2XAafFQf5s&fmt=22 0008.mts
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMigZMn3yc0&fmt=22 0009.mts
Thanks!
http://www.vimeo.com/4548896 00010.mts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2XAafFQf5s&fmt=22 0008.mts
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMigZMn3yc0&fmt=22 0009.mts
Thanks!
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Don't know what specifically bothers you. Its a still image in mid movement.
Yes that is the clip I see compression issues when it pans towards the overhang on the corner. Look at the wall in motion not still, its the only issue I have with it but it may be a number of factors causing it.
This was done by someone who has admitted they are not a professional. Th sound room was a low light test at high iso and not pro lit.
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THis pretty much sums up my experience with the 1080/24 from this camera. I get the same thing with OIS off, IE off, and adjusting color parameters. THe detail in the 0009.mts is too much for the compression to handle, it's severely evident int he greens and such. If you avoid this situation in 1080/24 then you'll be good. But I can attest to Sonic's 1080/24 footage in these scenarios being on par with mines, regardless of his settings.
If this is acceptable to you then expect this in 1080/24 and use it! Only time it gets worse is if there's any extra movement in the camera, which is a good thing because most shooting styles don't call for that sort of camera action.
Looking at the original file pulldown removed of that vimeo shot, yes at the moment of the quick pan the codec looks like it falls apart. But its shot at f16, AFS is on, OIS is on the color is vibrant, IE is maximum and shutter is 1/30. Not questioning anyones observations but with all that on the codec could be stressed in a non optimal shutter speed for motion.
Ian,
There is only 1 clip in the whole batch that was shot at 1/50th... which is the closest we can get to 1/48th on this camera.
I've attached a still from the shot in quetion.
To me, that shot doesn't include "ridiculous" amounts of motion or detail. It's a pretty standard street scene with a slow pan, people walking and cars driving by. Yet, the compression falls apart completely. This, to me, looks worse than footage that I routinely get out of my HV20 (1440x1080 24p@60i 25mbit HDV).
I really wish it wasn't the case, because I was looking forward to having DOF control and interchangeable lenses...
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John Caballero
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Like I said "You don't liki, you don't buyi". You can't get this thing thinking you are gonna film a block buster. You get what you pay for. And for what this camera costs you are getting a lot.
I'm looking at that one at the moment too... It does look as though capping at 17mbit is very close but not quite the cigar. If they pump it up to 24mbit the 1080 would probably stay together properly. It's not horrific but it leaves something to be desired. This could be how they justify allowing this camera to sit side by side with their dedicated prosumer video cameras... Cap the quality at 'almost but not quite'
Personally I'm not too let down since I'll be using this camera primarily for 720 production. In this category what I've seen @ 17mbps is satisfactory.
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I get the same thing with everything you just named toned down. All of my stuff's crimped, Sonic's footage is pretty exemplary of what you're going to get even with all of the settings off/pulled back as far as they go.
YES. The larger you view it, the more noticeable all of this becomes. That's exactly what I was saying.
Even on my Samsung 42", the Aliasing isn't an issue but from several feet away I can see the image break up.
It's not HORRIBLE but just not something I'd like in my own footage. I'm willing to bet several other people disagree and that's a really good thing.
The GH-1 in 720/60 is unfukwitable. There's no way in hell I'd trade it for an HV20 unless, for some really strange reason, I thought you HAD to shoot everything at 1080.
Which I don't think, and I know better.
There are TWO shots not one. If you look at his txt doc it shows two at 1/50
John Caballero
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Two lessons here: Shoot at the correct shutter speed and don't pan like a maniac, unless you really, really have too, I guess.
John, I appreciate your enthusiasm, let's also try to remember that everyone doesn't want to shoot just for the internet.
And even on the internet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMigZMn3yc0&fmt=22 0009.mts
What will you do for a shot like that? Outright avoid shooting foliage etc just because the camera can't handle it at 1080/24P?
That's quite a ridiculous notion.
It's a good thing the 720/60P is vehement in its efficiency to compress high frequency detail during static and moving frames.
And even on the internet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMigZMn3yc0&fmt=22 0009.mts
What will you do for a shot like that? Outright avoid shooting foliage etc just because the camera can't handle it at 1080/24P?
That's quite a ridiculous notion.
It's a good thing the 720/60P is vehement in its efficiency to compress high frequency detail during static and moving frames.