C200: The new Canon C200 with 4K

puredrifting said:
Just keep in mind that I made inquiries to both Ego Disk and Transcend last week, asking if their cards or some upcoming new CFast 2.0 cards they make or will make will meet VPG-130 standards or if they can or want to work with Canon on creating certified media for the C200. So far, no response from either. I'm beginning to think that our only VPG-130 choice for the foreseeable future will be the overpriced SanDisk cards. If that's so, I am going to purchase an Atomos Shogun Inferno as a stop gap measure until the XF-AVC hits (will switch to that if it is usable) or until some lower cost VPG-130 cards hit the market or SanDisk lowers their cost. While I would like to shoot two current documentaries on Cinema RAW Light, I may have to settle for Prores from an Atomos. Or I could buy a used C300 MKII.
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Raises hand to show C300ii for inspection!:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
Eric Coughlin said:
I guess the question is, do you really want to trust a PA with the day's footage? I was on a shoot a few days ago where a new intern (I know, a step below a PA in experience, but still) was given a memory card to copy to the computer. So, he copies the footage so there is one copy on the computer, and then formats the card. He tells the producer he formatted the card, and the producer freaks out, saying, "NEVER FORMAT ON A SHOOT." I know different people work differently in that regard, but I guess what I'm saying is that more experienced people are less likely to make mistakes (or do things in a way the producer doesn't want) then less experienced people, so having PAs or interns given the very important task of copying memory and formatting cards can be risky.

Most pros know more about the importance of redundancy, menu structure, double and triple checking everything is there, etc., to avoid potential colossal mistakes that can be much worse than say an inexperienced AC getting a couple shots out of focus.
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I agree with everything you said. I think it's fine if you've worked with a PA enough in the past and they're only copying (and not performing major DIT tasks). Otherwise, like you say it's a pretty large risk. I know it's old news to many, but it was an eye opener for me seeing first hand how raw affects production. It's yet another task to tackle, which can be handled many different ways, particularly on smaller shoots where people wear multiple hats. Of course, the production needs to decide if it's worth it. For example, if it comes down to either including or omitting certain elements of production, raw is pretty low on the priorities list, compared with say $500 in lighting rentals. Other than naturally lit scenes, show me a shot that's lit with an Arri m18, shot with an 8 bit camera any day! I know this is just a made up scenario but it's all interesting stuff to think about.

None of this is a counter to what you said, more just thinking out loud.
 
Ughh, downloading cards, then reformatting them while shooting. Takes me back to the days of 8GB and 16GB P2 cards. A very stressful and not fun workflow.
 
After shooting all day trying to manage 4 cameras, pouring ourselves a margarita or two while waiting to dump the cards only to realize the next day while already shooting one forgot to reformat a couple.... but it's too late we already have new material on them. That experience cured my desire to want the C200..... every little bit helps.
 
I wish I had a computer with Thunderbolt 3/USB C. I researched it and the new Sonnet dual card CFast 2.0 reader is the one to get but it's only T-Bolt 3/USB C. So those of us with older MBPs are SOL. I researched the Apple adapter that turns Thunderbolt 3 into Thunderbolt 2 and it doesn't pass bus power so the Sonnet will not work unless you have a modern computer with a USB C/T-Bolt 3 connection. Sucks man. I am going to be stuck with the slow USB 2.0 CFast 2.0 card because the Ego Disk copy on Amazon says the Lexar CR-1 that has Thunderbolt, for some reason is NOT recommended for the Ego Disk cards (if the Ego Disks actually work with the C200!)
 
Good Lord don't use USB2.0! That's a snail's pace. There's no way you could make a USB3.0 solution work? You'll want to shoot yourself waiting for those downloads.

On a completely separate side note, the Thunderbolt 3 capability of the Panasonic XPD3 P2 card reader is stunning. Using a modern ExpressP2 card, it can download 512GB in just 7 minutes. Daisy-chain two of them and you saturate Thunderbolt 3, which means two 512GB cards (1TB) can be downloaded in 8 minutes. That's eight times faster than USB 3.0. And USB2.0? I have to think that would take the better part of a day!
 
USB 3.0 is pretty workable. I can transfer a 120GB Mini-Mag in 12 minutes and a 128GB CFast card in 18 minutes to a fast SSD.
 
I am really trying to avoid spending $3,500.00 for a new laptop since I am spending a ton on new cameras, lenses and I need a new iMac for editing all of this footage. My iMac has USB 3.0 but my laptop, an early 2011 MBP that I just put a new keyboard into, replaced the HD with an SSD and maxed the RAM is running like a champ. I like the Lexar Thunderbolt CFast 2.0 reader but the Amazon listing specifically says to NOT use it with the Ego Disk cards, not sure why. Obviously, need the laptop for downloading client footage on client shoots. Maybe I'll have to just bite the bullet and sell the 2011 and buy a new one, ughh, wasted money since all I use the latop for these days is downloading client footage and the occasional travel shoot.
 
I hate to suggest it since I hate Windows, but what about a dirt cheap windows laptop JUST for data transfer(I bought my Mom one for Christmas just so she could have something to play on the internet with when she was at my Grandmothers). Hell, they're practically giving them away.
 
Run&Gun said:
I hate to suggest it since I hate Windows, but what about a dirt cheap windows laptop JUST for data transfer(I bought my Mom one for Christmas just so she could have something to play on the internet with when she was at my Grandmothers). Hell, they're practically giving them away.
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That probably would be a cheap way to go. I just don't know if I could suppress my gag reflex that long. Maybe if I NEVER, EVER went on the Internet with it, it wouldn't immediately get infected? Cheap way to get USB C/USB 3.0?
 
hey mitch, i always wondered why with panasonic's blazing fast P2 cards and read speed, how come they can't introduced a compressed raw format to record internally into their varicam series cameras? why raw out only? i am sure varicam users would appreciate popping in a P2 card to record raw internally vs having to rig a monitor recorder.
 
puredrifting said:
That probably would be a cheap way to go. I just don't know if I could suppress my gag reflex that long. Maybe if I NEVER, EVER went on the Internet with it, it wouldn't immediately get infected? Cheap way to get USB C/USB 3.0?
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I've found the secret to not getting viruses is to not download anti-virus software. My six month old PC laptop is handing C300 Mark II 4K and Arri 3.2K ProRes fine without needing to use proxies.
 
Yes its a C200 thread but was just curious about the P2 vs Cfast speed since mitch lurks around the canon forum even tho he works for panasonic!
 
Amira-user said:
hey mitch, i always wondered why with panasonic's blazing fast P2 cards and read speed, how come they can't introduced a compressed raw format to record internally into their varicam series cameras? why raw out only? i am sure varicam users would appreciate popping in a P2 card to record raw internally vs having to rig a monitor recorder.
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Yeah, this is a C200 thread (with a question asked by "Amira-user" HA!). I participate here to be helpful and to comment if anyone has a comparative question, but I do think we should take Panasonic-related questions elsewhere. I'm happy to answer such questions in a Panny thread. Don't want to be rude.
 
puredrifting said:
Sonnet dual card CFast 2.0 reader
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Wow what a beast! Thanks for the heads up.

I have the new iMac 5K (SSD with ~1950 MB/s write) and use the Lexar CFast reader: the USB 3 vs Thunderbolt 2 seems TB2 gives only about a ~15-20% speed increase. That's maybe a minute less time copying a full 256Gb card. Not really worth buying the TB2->TB3 adapter.

"Native" TB3 tho... 1000 MB/s from both cards simultaneously :-)
 
Hi Dan,

Don't need to spend $3500 for a TB3 Mac. Get a certified Apple refurbished one for $1949. Still a bit of money but far off from $3500. I also have a 2011 MBP and ready to upgrade to a TB3 MBP. Been buying Certified Refurbished and they're good as new and include the one year warranty with option to extend to 3 years.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/...-Intel-Core-i7-with-Retina-display-Space-Gray

puredrifting said:
I am really trying to avoid spending $3,500.00 for a new laptop since I am spending a ton on new cameras, lenses and I need a new iMac for editing all of this footage. My iMac has USB 3.0 but my laptop, an early 2011 MBP that I just put a new keyboard into, replaced the HD with an SSD and maxed the RAM is running like a champ. I like the Lexar Thunderbolt CFast 2.0 reader but the Amazon listing specifically says to NOT use it with the Ego Disk cards, not sure why. Obviously, need the laptop for downloading client footage on client shoots. Maybe I'll have to just bite the bullet and sell the 2011 and buy a new one, ughh, wasted money since all I use the latop for these days is downloading client footage and the occasional travel shoot.
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