C200: The new Canon C200 with 4K

puredrifting said:
It has not been decided yet or made public yet. There was anectdotal evidence that someone blogged the delay was from Canon engineering having to shoehorn a 10-bit XF-AVC codec into 8-bits for the C200. But Canon have not stated 8 or 10 bit yet.
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I distinctly recall Canon mentioning something about "the right 8-bits" on the C300 launch.

Same as it ever was. Same. As. It. Ever...Was!
 
Tim Nitsch said:
Can someone with more knowledge on the subject fill me in.

I thought I read somewhere that Canon's RAW format isn't like other raw formats, in that you can't adjust ISO and white balance in post like you can with something like a R3D file.

If that's true with the C200, then that changes the game entirely I think.

EDIT:

Found the article:
http://blog.abelcine.com/2012/11/05/what-exactly-is-canon-raw/
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That is the old RAW format.

C200's Cinema RAW Light is new and will have native NLE support from most software.
 
Tim Nitsch said:
Can someone with more knowledge on the subject fill me in.

I thought I read somewhere that Canon's RAW format isn't like other raw formats, in that you can't adjust ISO and white balance in post like you can with something like a R3D file.

If that's true with the C200, then that changes the game entirely I think.

EDIT:

Found the article:
http://blog.abelcine.com/2012/11/05/what-exactly-is-canon-raw/
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Did you read the comments/discussion below the article?
 
I believe, in a year or two, every camera will have RAW. So to me the (present) issue with the C200 are:
1) Cost of CFast 2.0 cards
2) to a lesser extent Cost and weight of Hard disks. Weight is more important while traveling in remote shoots.

I don't find workflow challenges with the Canon Cinema RAW light.

To start with, I would have to invest in atleast 4x 256 GB cards. So the price would be slightly more than 10K USD.

The DPAF and touchscreen will resolve hell lot of issues. I find one needs to be more cautious in shooting 4K because focus is very critical. There were lot of people who were shooting ML Raw with 5D despite the challenges. I am sure, many will come forward to shoot raw with the C200.

I am very careful about the exposure while shooting. Having worked with the excellent C300II codec, I still would prefer RAW. For normal shoots it is ok, however for wildlife in many cases the amount of detail that you get in RAW is way different and makes the scene show up differently. The additional cost of CFast 2.0 cards and hard disk is one compromise, I am ready to make. Remember, the price of CFast 2.0 cards will come down later. However, because this camera has RAW, it will continue to give great results in the right hands, even after many years (unless you want 8K).
 
indiawilds said:
I believe, in a year or two, every camera will have RAW. So to me the (present) issue with the C200 are:
1) Cost of CFast 2.0 cards
2) to a lesser extent Cost and weight of Hard disks. Weight is more important while traveling in remote shoots.

I don't find workflow challenges with the Canon Cinema RAW light.

To start with, I would have to invest in atleast 4x 256 GB cards. So the price would be slightly more than 10K USD.

The DPAF and touchscreen will resolve hell lot of issues. I find one needs to be more cautious in shooting 4K because focus is very critical. There were lot of people who were shooting ML Raw with 5D despite the challenges. I am sure, many will come forward to shoot raw with the C200.

I am very careful about the exposure while shooting. Having worked with the excellent C300II codec, I still would prefer RAW. For normal shoots it is ok, however for wildlife in many cases the amount of detail that you get in RAW is way different and makes the scene show up differently. The additional cost of CFast 2.0 cards and hard disk is one compromise, I am ready to make. Remember, the price of CFast 2.0 cards will come down later. However, because this camera has RAW, it will continue to give great results in the right hands, even after many years (unless you want 8K).
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+1
 
balazer said:
I think you could use an external SSD in place of a CFast card this way:


The SSD is more than fast enough to keep up with Canon Raw Light's 1 Gbps. The SSD takes just 3.3 V, so it can be powered from the CFast slot. You just need to find a place to stick the SSD. Sure, internal CFast cards will be more convenient in many instances, but SSDs have more capacity.
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this solution isn't likely to work because of the door over the cfast slot, often you'll get a card door is open message.
 
balazer said:
I think you could use an external SSD in place of a CFast card this way:


The SSD is more than fast enough to keep up with Canon Raw Light's 1 Gbps. The SSD takes just 3.3 V, so it can be powered from the CFast slot. You just need to find a place to stick the SSD. Sure, internal CFast cards will be more convenient in many instances, but SSDs have more capacity.
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Im sure the industry will come up with a solution fairly soon.
 
I'm hoping the competition with panasonic will make canon put out a firmware that will:

-give xf-avc 10bit hd internal
- 4k 10bit output via hdmi and sdi
-raw out via sdi
- high framerate out via sdi and hdmi
- higher frame rate options at least 150p preferably 250p "why should the higher option always be for ntsc land":grin:

If they announce this now and gave it beginning 2018 and pimped up the c300 mark 2 via firmware with a few extra options like 60p
The cinema lineup would still be competitive.
c100 for internet /hd stuf
c200 single operator docu/creative
c300 for multicam/dual setup via tc
c700 master cam big production ,with a few c200 as sidekick/dronecams
 
I spent some time with the camera at Cinegear today. Few takeaways:

- Full sensor high speed uses some pixel binning/line skipping and is only available in the mp4, no solid word on the future XFAVC. Not sure how the qaulity will compare to the C300mk2's crop slowmo.
- Ergo, if you like any of the Cxxx Cameras you'll like this one
- They will likely keep the internal lower codecs to 8bit. Sounds like a combo of media and protecting C300mkii
- No LOG2 or production camera matrix/cine gamut available for MP4 recording. At least that I could find.
- The 4k raw you can run through Canon software and spit out a log2 or cine gamut/production camera color etc.

Right now I'm using the C300mk1 as my B-camera. I'll likely be picking this camera up to replace that at the end of the year. Same batteries and and media will be awesome!
 
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