C200: The new Canon C200 with 4K

Run&Gun said:
Well, every survey Canon has ever sent me, I said get rid of HDMI and put more BNC/SDI connections. I still say HDMI has NO place on a piece of professional video equipment.
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Agreed, I hate HDMI. But I do have a Ninja Blade and a Zacuto EVF Pro that will be rendered useless on this camera unless it does have HDMI. So I am still rooting for HDMI. But of course, SDI is such a better connector.
 
I would be surprised if they did not have HDMI unless they were really cutting corners to keep the price down. Hopefully, the HDMI is in a recessed port on the top or side to help protect it from getting bumped. The rear port was always a pain on the C100.

Or maybe they are integrating a converter of some sort for use with the SDI or ethernet port.
 
I really hope the C200 will have more DR than the C100. 14 would be nice and 13 would be acceptable.
I really think that internally in 4k it will be limited to 8 bit and 10 bit in HD. Externally it won't be more than 10 bit 422 I think. Maybe 60p 4k...who knows!
 
NorBro said:
CR did say it would be "loaded" a few weeks ago...fun week to be a camera enthusiast.
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That's what has me curious. If this new camera is "loaded", where does that leave their C300 MKII sales? What will be the differentiator? 12-bit 4/4/4 2K? Dual CF slots versus single? If this camera has a good 10-bit codec and can shoot 4K 60p and non windowed or better 1080 slow motion, why will anyone still buy a C300 MKII?
 
puredrifting said:
That's what has me curious. If this new camera is "loaded", where does that leave their C300 MKII sales? What will be the differentiator? 12-bit 4/4/4 2K? Dual CF slots versus single? If this camera has a good 10-bit codec and can shoot 4K 60p and non windowed or better 1080 slow motion, why will anyone still buy a C300 MKII?
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If this camera will out-spec the C300 Mark II then no one will buy the latter, but I think that's okay.

Maybe it's time to hang it up.

The camera originally probably did really well back in 2015/early 2016 and then the competition eventually slowed it down.

Maybe this new camera will be more than $6K-$7K, and it will make more sense for them to sell hundreds of these per month than a few C300 Mark IIs per month. Because realistically, who is buying a C300 Mark II right now in 2017?

(I know people are still buying them, but I don't imagine they are flying off the shelves.)
 
A while ago I voiced an idea that maybe Canon has decided to get rid of C100, C300 and C500 to make their lineup C200/C400/C700. We'll see.
 
puredrifting said:
That's what has me curious. If this new camera is "loaded", where does that leave their C300 MKII sales? What will be the differentiator? 12-bit 4/4/4 2K? Dual CF slots versus single? If this camera has a good 10-bit codec and can shoot 4K 60p and non windowed or better 1080 slow motion, why will anyone still buy a C300 MKII?
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Maybe loaded with features like touch screen, xlr on main body, variable nd's, choice of cfast or sd, 4k 60p. But regarding image quality, it will be inferior to the C300 II. Like no 444, no 12 bit, less DR, etc. So operators in need of 444 12 bit, 15 stop of DR will have to go with the C300.
 
Doug_EX said:
Maybe loaded with features like touch screen, xlr on main body, variable nd's, choice of cfast or sd, 4k 60p. But regarding image quality, it will be inferior to the C300 II. Like no 444, no 12 bit, less DR, etc. So operators in need of 444 12 bit, 15 stop of DR will have to go with the C300.
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Or time code and genlock. Or dual recording at high bit rate. Or RAW.
 
dadoboy said:
I hate to break it to Panasonic - but I have it from a trusted source - the C200 will steal Panasonic's thunder and the specs will surprise a lot of you (in a good way).
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As a lot of older members here will hopefully remember that when the C300 was released and the internet went nuts over its underwhelming specs, I was one of those that ignored all the noise. I jumped on it. Amazing skin tones, great detail for 1080 and shooting was a simple pleasure. Personally owned cameras in this order - Sony / Canon / Panasonic / Canon / Panasonic / Canon / Panasonic / Canon / Panasonic. Thats what I've owned and I've always gone with what works for me. Never really has mattered what I own so much as I shoot on everything, but again I own what I like. That's just to qualify myself for the next statement.

Statements like this, hmmm whats the word Im searching for here, well I can't find it at the moment, but both cameras are under NDA need to know only so how anyone can have a "trusted source" that is across both companies and knows what's coming is highly debatable to me. What if I said, I have a trusted source and Sony will be releasing something after (northern) summer that will make you rethink everything? Well I could make that statement. There's no way to check it is there. It's just noise. So I hate to break it to you, but at this point you have nothing and should one camera be better than the other and one does this or that better than the other, great! We have choices! That's what competition brings to us and we ge to benefit.

Other than that, its a bit of fun reading all the speculation on whats coming.
 
Doug_EX said:
Exactly my point.
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Right, forgot about those. Fortunately I rarely shoot multi-cam so those really aren't a deal breaker for me. 12 bit 4/4/4 is nice, I like shooting it but once again, for our clients and projects, it doesn't matter. They want 4K, Canon colorimetry, a flattering, sharp image, good sound. They really generally don't even care about 10-bit vs. 8-bit although I shoot with the Ninja Blade recording 10-bit for them but it's still mostly from the 8-bit C100/C300. RAW is not in my world. IMHO, nobody needs to shoot RAW unless it is a narrative project and they have the budget or if you are shooting something with a lot of compositing. I really think a lot of misinformed people shoot RAW who really have no need for it, because it is "the best". If I was a great colorist/grader/compositer, I might apprecaite the RAW workflow but from a DP POV, complete PITA.
 
I agree -- I also don't think most people need 10-bit either unless an employer is specifically asking you for it and it will depend on you getting the job.
 
NorBro said:
I agree -- I also don't think most people need 10-bit either unless an employer is specifically asking you for it and it will depend on you getting the job.
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I have had a client ask why a sunset shot was so gradiated. And ask if there is way we could fix that. That's really where 8 bit falls apart, anything with gradiated light or color. But you're mainly right, most clients don't notice or care about stuff like that.
 
I actually would be most interested in the camera if it had a 100mbps 4K. Right now Canon doesn't offer a lower bit rate 4K camera. Canon is lacking an option for those clients that "know" they want 4K but otherwise want a C100 workflow with SD cards and minimal hard drive space.
 
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