The Hobbit...

I'm so relieved when I hear that someone else isn't a fan of Pan's Labyrinth.

It was such a clumsy story...and the fantasy world falls apart upon examination. It is so common in this industry to be forced to praise work because a few critics loved it and created the "Emperor's New Clothes" tsunami of masterbatory praise that drips forth from Hollywood suits.

When you're the one lone guy saying "I saw it. I thought it was a mess. Yeah, he created some nice characters but that's nothing special. I've hired conceptual designers before as well. How about the script? How about the inconsistent tone? How about a world with no cohesion? How about the clunky dialogue and cliched bad guy?" it's not a lot of fun.
 
Prodigi Pictures said:
I'm so relieved when I hear that someone else isn't a fan of Pan's Labyrinth.

It was such a clumsy story...and the fantasy world falls apart upon examination.
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Could you speak more about how "the fantasy world falls apart upon examination"? Do you mean that it doesn't make sense when you try to analyze it? Fantasy worlds rarely can maintain coherency when evaluated by "real" world standards. Moreover, in this movie, the fantasy world is exactly that--a fantasy world, not reality (i.e., it's not a "real" world in the movie, it's a fantasy, in the girl's mind).
 
KMR said:
Could you speak more about how "the fantasy world falls apart upon examination"? Do you mean that it doesn't make sense when you try to analyze it? Fantasy worlds rarely can maintain coherency when evaluated by "real" world standards. Moreover, in this movie, the fantasy world is exactly that--a fantasy world, not reality (i.e., it's not a "real" world in the movie, it's a fantasy, in the girl's mind).
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My problem is that the fantasy world story and the real world story never seemed that connected, either plot wise or abstractly. I understood where Del Toro was going with the concept, I just don't think he fully got there. Some of my reaction was to the way the film was sold, as a Narnia-type fantasy, when it's really a Spanish Civil War drama with this fantasy element grafted on top. The Civil War drama was compelling, as was the fantasy world, I just wished he'd integrated them more stongly.
 
Can you imagine if Almoldovar directed the hobbit, how would you imagine that being? It just seems so off, but can you even fathom what that would be like?
 
Batutta said:
My problem is that the fantasy world story and the real world story never seemed that connected, either plot wise or abstractly. I understood where Del Toro was going with the concept, I just don't think he fully got there. Some of my reaction was to the way the film was sold, as a Narnia-type fantasy, when it's really a Spanish Civil War drama with this fantasy element grafted on top. The Civil War drama was compelling, as was the fantasy world, I just wished he'd integrated them more stongly.
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Ok maybe I'll voice my strong opinion on this one. Pan's Labrynth was terrible in my opinion. This would be tragic to have the director of such a dark and pointless movie to direct such an amazing story like the Hobbit. I hope the Tolkien foundation (if that even exists) would reject the idea, that is if they haven totally sold the rights, doubt it.
 
It seems that Sir Ian McKellan will be in this as Gandalf, and that may be all I need to go see it (well, at least since Sam Raimi is out ;) ). Although the real question will be, can they CG Sir Ian Holm enough to sell him as a younger Bilbo? :D God, I hope they can...
 
Captain Pierce said:
It seems that Sir Ian McKellan will be in this as Gandalf, and that may be all I need to go see it (well, at least since Sam Raimi is out ;) ). Although the real question will be, can they CG Sir Ian Holm enough to sell him as a younger Bilbo? :D God, I hope they can...
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I doubt they'll use Ian Holm. Wonder who will play Bilbo. I was thinking Martin Freeman from the office, and lo and behold, someone online already made a poster with him--

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Whoever they get, I hope he is the proper age this time. Frodo was supposed to be in his 50's before he set out for Rivendell.
 
Not sure if any of you guys have seen or heard this Del Toro quote yet:

“I was never into heroic fantasy. At all,” del Toro admitted during a 2006 Cannes interview. “I don’t like little guys and dragons, hairy feet, hobbits — I’ve never been into that at all. I don’t like sword and sorcery. I hate all that stuff.”

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/04/26/guillermo-del-toro-i-dont-like-hobbits/


I was actually relieved a bit when I first heard about Del Toro being the chosen director for the Hobbit. I think his style is a good fit. Much more so than Sam Raimi.

After reading this quote though, I am a bit bummed because in my opinion, one of the things that made Jackson's LOTR films so enjoyable, both from an emotional and technical / craft perspective is that you can see the passion he and his army of collaborators had for the material right up on the screen. You can almost feel it. Sort of an enthusiasm that is not present in a lot of big budget films. It isn't something that is apparent three minutes into the first film, but a little ways in that enthusiastic undercurrent sort of seeps into your subconscious. At least that's how I feel about it.

Being a fan of the Hobbit and LOTR (both the books and films), this quote has sapped some of my faith in this adaptation. I hope it turns out as an amazing film on par with Jackson's LOTR.

Also, this idea of doing a second film that takes place between the Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring worries me. I think they should just focus on making one film, the Hobbit, and making it the best that it can be with the talent and resources they have attached to the project. . . . . And where the heck is HALO??????
 
Batutta said:
I'm actually relieved as I'm not the hugest Del Toro fan. He might have done a good job but hopefully Jackson will just take the reins again. Would be the best thing for the continuity of the series.
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I feel the same.

At this rate however, the films might never be made if the MGM bankruptcy and rights issues take too long to work out. I'm sure that as much as Peter Jackson and company want to get these films made, they can't wait around forever either.
 
Jawa Ex Machina said:
Pop quiz, hotshot: If the choice was between Brett Ratner and George Lucas to direct The Hobbit, which one would you pick?
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Honestly, probably George Lucas....He wouldn't have a hand in the script, which is the prequels biggest failing, and there's a chance he might finally rediscover his lost talent...Not likely, though...
 
Batutta said:
Honestly, probably George Lucas....He wouldn't have a hand in the script, which is the prequels biggest failing, and there's a chance he might finally rediscover his lost talent...Not likely, though...
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You know what I'd like to see?

George Lucas producing an original story concept he's come up with, written and directed by James Cameron.

I have NO idea what that would become, but I'm sure it'd make twice as much money as Avatar and be the most profitable film in the history of ever.
 
Well, they could always hire Ridley Scott and he could do to The Hobbit what he did to Nottingham (Robin Hood).:eek:
 
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