The FS100 and BMD's new Hyperdeck

Tnx Jacky, i was wondering what you used for external power? an AB on the end of the rails? any solutions that are a bit more elegant?
 
I just received an email from BMD. According to the email, they have a fix for the incompatibility problem with the FS100 and will be soon releasing a beta firmware update.
 
Dermot said:
Tnx Jacky, i was wondering what you used for external power? an AB on the end of the rails? any solutions that are a bit more elegant?
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One V-mount battery powers everything: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?254723-Insane!-Power-everything-and-the-kitchen-sink-from-one-v-mount.&highlight=


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Now I got it. You have to search on US Ebay for the seller "link-fortune"

http://photography.shop.ebay.com/Ca...op=12&_ssn=link-fortune&_trksid=p3911.c0.m282

Frankhttp://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...the-kitchen-sink-from-one-v-mount.&highlight=
 
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So I'm rethinking the shuttle. SSD's are notorious for their unreliability. Suddenly you have no drive and no data, all without warning. And the file sizes are twice that of my Red MX. That's a lot of data to off load and back up. Then it has to be converted into a format I can use. For me, that would be CineForm. Someone suggested converting to your format of choice right off the SSD's and then dumping the original. That sounds like a great plan, with one exception. My experience converting CineForm includes occassional errors. Sometimes a clip, for unknown reason, converts improperly. We reconvert and it is fine. So I would be hesitant to purge the original. I'm now thinking about having two options. One: Either the Ninja or the Sound Devices Pix 240. The Pix will give me two additional audio channels. Two: The AJA io express and a laptop with express buss. The AJA io express will allow me to record CineForm direct to hard drive using my laptop. It will do 3/2 pull down creating a true progressive file that will need no further processing in my workflow. The Ninja footage will of course need to be post converted.
 
Hmmm...

here is my workflow: Two SSDs - rocord to one while the other one downloads the footy via laptop on a e-sata HDD in a docking station.
Back home, I copy the footage from the HDDs to the RAID of my NLE and start editing.But I keep the material on the HDDs as a backup.

So - at least for me - there is no need to convert anything, cause every NLE can work with uncompressed material, even on older computers with soft RAID. I can keep my stuff uncompressed till delivery.

Frank
 
I have a san with 4 edit suites. We have standardized on CineForm. So, when we shoot Red we convert to 1080p Cineform 444. When we shoot AVCHD we convert to CineForm 1080p 444. We color correct everything with First Light. No rendering, just LUTS. Awsome time saver in post. Excellent 10 bit 444 quality. But EVERYTHING we shoot has to be converted. So, for me, the Shuttle's double the file size of Red and still having to convert later is a big hassel. With a CineForm capture station I get my native editing file, visually lossless at one tenth the file size. And I can apply LUTs in the field to judge my look. For run and gun, something like a Ninja would be a good compromise. I still need conversion, but I get a better quality file than AVCHD with much smaller sizes than uncompressed. All this combined with my experience loosing all data on 2 SSDs without warning has me rethinking the Shuttle.
 
mcgeedigital said:
I wish there was an off the shelf way to mount the hyperdeck to a set of rails.
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If you want I can take a look at it and I can build something for you pretty quickly. My fabricator owes me a favor and I have been thinking of making some products for it. I am still debating if I want to order one or not. It's the 1000 dollars in ssds that holds me back.
 
The Hypershuttle is so cheap, even with 2 $1000 SSDs, it blows other uncompressed devices out of the water.


Convergent design is like 6000 and the Cinedeck between 8000 and 10000 - and they also come without SSDs.

Regarding the liability of SSDs: Every medium fails now and then. I saw that on Film, Tape, P2, HDDs SD Cards andwhatnot.
You have to live with that, but minimize the risk.
This is done by buying only small capacity SSDs, like 120 GB. It gives you about 12 minutes for shooting - much like a film magazine.
So if one fails, you loose no more than 12 minutes - which is bad enough, but better than half an hour or more.


Frank
 
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Postmaster said:
The Hypershuttle is so cheap, even with 2 $1000 SSDs, it blows other uncompressed devices out of the water.


Convergent design is like 6000 and the Cinedeck between 8000 and 10000 - and they also come without SSDs.

Regarding the liability of SSDs: Every medium fails now and then. I saw that on Film, Tape, P2, HDDs SD Cards andwhatnot.
You have to live with that, but minimize the risk.
This is done by buying only small capacity SSDs, like 120 GB. It gives you about 12 minutes for shooting - much like a film magazine.
So if one fails, you loose no more than 12 minutes - which is bad enough, but better than half an hour or more.


Frank
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So how many SSDs are you optimally running with? Would 3 be a good number; 1 in the deck, 1 in the desk mount and one ready to be inserted in the cam?

Those 12 min, I guess is on the highest possible setting? I'm just contemplating the situation here for studio jobs, with a MBP for off loading.
Even with a 2nd 750 gb WD Black in the optibay, I'd run out of space pretty fast? Or how do you experience this?
 
A 2 TB HDD is cheaper than tape these days, so I just keep buying them, as I kept buying tapes , back in those tape days.

by the way, there is no "setting" on the Hypershuttle - it´s just uncompressed - period. No way to set codecs or data rates.
You always can buy larger SSDs and have longer recording time if you really need that. But I prefer small ones for safety reasons.

Frank
 
This morning BMD sent me a release candidate firmware update for my Hyperdeck. Installation was very simple; and, my Hyperdeck now recognizes the FS100 and will record the video signal. I must say, I'm very pleased with the response from BMD. They've asked me not to distribute the update, since it is a pre-release. But, I am letting everyone know that they will soon release a public update, and it works. Now, I'm off to test some captures.

-Bill
 
fredeinziger said:
i also recieved a release candidate firmware, unfortunatley it only works with 1080i output on my US model (FS100u)
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To expand on this, it seems the Hyperdeck works only with the conventional HDMI formats of 720p, 720i, and 1080i. It does not work with 1080p on the FS100. I beleive this is happening because, unlike earlier models, the FS100 outputs in a native 1080p60 format, that is recorded internally, in all 1080p modes as 1080ps(progressive segmented) . Decompression of true 1080p60 is not routinely handled by any of the current recorders. The only application I've found that can even recognize the native 1080P60 format is Adobe CS5.5.

I just hope that 3rd party vendors, like Convergent Design, BMD, Sound Devices and ATOMOS can get it together enough to offer firmware updates to 1080P60 in the near future.

edit: I've already spoken with Convergent Design concerning future updates for the Nanoflash. The MPEG2 HD422 codec used in their Nanoflash is not capable of handling 1080p60 and the Nanoflash will never be able to accept that format. It is, quite simply, a hardware limitation. I hope that other devices are not subject to this limitation.
 
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I hope they are able to do this with firmware but I don't think it will happen. 60p is twice the data of 60i and I don't think these recorders have enough processing power to handle it.
 
Alpern said:
I hope they are able to do this with firmware but I don't think it will happen. 60p is twice the data of 60i and I don't think these recorders have enough processing power to handle it.
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Alpern, I tend to agree with you. However, the processor(s?) in the FS100 seems to be able to handle it, so......when will this kind of processing power make it into 3rd party recorders? And who manufactures it? Sony?
 
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