The EOS 60D has been announced

Any word on a specific date for availability?

I'm probably overly optimistic in hoping I might be able to get my hands on one in the next week, huh?
:)
 
Luis Caffesse said:
Any word on a specific date for availability?

I'm probably overly optimistic in hoping I might be able to get my hands on one in the next week, huh?
:)
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Had one on order since last week and my order just says "Available for shipment in late September" so not sure I'd count on next week. If the hdmi out isn't at least 720p ish I might be upping my order to the 7D anyway, so the delay on the preorder is fine by me atm.
 
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Had one on order since last week and my order just says "Available for shipment in late September" so not sure I'd count on next week. If the hdmi out isn't at least 720p ish I might be upping my order to the 7D anyway, so the delay on the preorder is fine by me atm.
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Ah well - I was just hoping seeing as I have a shoot next week that requires two cams, and I was thinking of picking up a 60D anyhow.
This would have just been the perfect excuse to do so.
:)

Thanks for the info.
 
The 60D manual is available from the Canon website. Although its not very clear my interpretation is:
* HDMI is the same as the 5D and 550D (i.e. it drops to SD during record) - that's to be expected since all three only have a single Digic processor.
* Still no histogram during Movie recording

So it seems like the major advantages from a video standpoint (over the 550D) are the in-between ISO, articulated LCD, manual WB setting, and the manual gain control.

Compared to the 7D it has the articulated LCD and manual gain, but loses HD out of the HDMI during record.
 
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Seems like the best video choice from Canon right now aside from the 5D (depending on what you're doing, for some it may be the best.) The question is if the price is right to get people who otherwise would buy the T2i. I'd say even with the lack of HD HDMI out, for the person looking to just do video the 7D is basically dead now. Might piss some people off, but why spend more for a camera with an identical image and fewer video features? Also, I'd point out that plenty of perfectly good production monitors, that work perfectly great for getting focus, aren't HD. I have an Ikan V8000 HDMI that is 800 x 480 and have used it to great success on shoots with the 5D, HVX, etc.
 
Well if Canon issued an update that brought them to parity featurewise I think the 7D might still appeal to a few people (like me.) T2i & 60D are fine cameras but I have a feeling I'll replace a 60D eventually--while I could probably always find a use for the 7D, even it was just relegating it to vacation/camping use and etc.

But at the same time much of the same sentiments apply to other realms I work in like music, and the dearth of sub $1k devices that are made of plastic is killing the production of most of the higher end performance units that are built like tanks. Compare a bcf2000 to a PC1600x in terms of build quality & cost, and the latter is double the cost for less functionality and better build/materials. And of course no longer in production while I see bcf's at shows quite regularly now....
 
Just had some hands-on time with the 60D at Canon expo.

I agree that it is THE camera for those who want to shoot primarily video yet do not want/need/cannot afford a 5D.

Manual audio tops the list.

But the dial and LCD screen place it in the same league as the 7D. For a mere $300 (body only) premium over the T2i, it is a no-brainer. I'm ordering one. Anybody want to buy my T2i?
 
That was you holding up the 60D line? I'm with you. The articulated screen makes all the difference.

Enjoying the seminars. Wish I could come back tomorrow but...
 
videohog said:
Forgive me if I missed it....... You can set the audio levels AND turn off AGC, or just adjust the amount of gain?
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AFAIK this has not been clarified. But even if AGC is no longer there, would you trust a canon DSLR in-camera preamp?
 
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videohog said:
Forgive me if I missed it....... You can set the audio levels AND turn off AGC, or just adjust the amount of gain?
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I think they said it was the same as the 5D which means you can adjust the levels and turn of AGC, but only in a menu before you record.


J Davis said:
AFAIK this has not been clarified. But even if AGC is no longer there, would you trust a canon DSLR in-camera preamp?
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For like, a wedding? Yeah.
 
Stuck in traffic... may as well report.

Manual means manual, but I would never be abe to use it, buried as it is in the menu.

So, I think I'll pass. For what I shoot (on T2i), I can live without the native ISOs, and as much as I would very much like the LCD upgrade, I'd sooner put the extra cash into another lens... or a slider, or a better light, or a better tripod, or another wireless pack, or a better lav.

I suppose I could change my mind down the road.
 
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There's a quick video preview over at Engadget (I won't post the link, but its easy to find). The preview concentrates on the video aspects of the camera. It shows the Audio setting menu and how to set the audio gain (with meters like the 5D).

I was planning on getting a T2i, but waited for the 60D announcement before pulling the trigger. I'm still disappointed by the lack of a histogram, but overall I agree that it's worth the extra $300. I have a 60D body on pre-order. The next thing to do will be to pick a couple lenses.:happy:
 
Honestly, I'm severely tempted (even though I just ordered a DR-100 for getting audio). The in-camera pre-amps are just fine for what I'd be getting interviews for, and I surely want some of that articulatin' LCD lovin'...but if Canon would just add manual gain to the T2i/7D, I'd be happy to stay where I'm at for now.
 
Home now.

So, let's say you have set your audio levels, and you start rolling and you have a lav on someone and as they get going, they get more animated and start speaking more loudly, and you can hear it clipping in the phones. Oh, wait, you can't monitor the sound. But even if you could, how are you going to pull the gain down?

I can't see manual gain control useful for anything other than keeping the preamps from banging away ~while~ using a 3rd-party preamp to control levels on the fly.
 
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Always do a reference take and include among other things the hottest sound you're likely to get? When I do music recording I just tell people something funny a few times to make them laugh until I get a good gut laugh, then ask them to say something in a STADIUM VOICE after that (the laughs usually loosen them up...)
 
In my experience, this isn't really that big of a problem. When someone starts getting excited and the audio peaks, it's usually a one-off thing, i.e. they'll peak and then calm down. You can't predict what happens, so you're going to ride the audio gain AFTER they've peaked (usually it's a quick deal and by the time you turn the channel down they are back to planet Earth), and then ramp it up again when the audio becomes too quiet once they've calmed down?

I had fixing that kind of thing in post, BTW. (riding the audio gain)
 
The BIG thing is just shutting off the AGC control so during quit times, the audio background isn't getting amplified and screwing up the dynamics of the audio take. I wish my 7D would let me shut it off and I'd still use an external mixer with a headphone jack so I could listen.

But then again, I cannot always use the camera for audio anyways. When I am on the crane or flying on a blackbird steadicam, I use external audio anyways and just use the on board mic as reference for aligning.

This is a HUGE plus in my opinion.

I also wanted to add, pertaining to the Caprock filter, don't fool yourself about it being useful. Sure, it works in certain circumstances, but it's NOT easy and depends on your focal length AND your focus point. I've tested the Caprock 2.0 extensively and just don't use it because it doesn't work more times than it does.

I'll be waiting for the next gen myself. No more moire! :)
 
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