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I'm with you, minus Riddler. There's gotta be other worthy candidates.
Yeah like, the Penguin.
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I'm with you, minus Riddler. There's gotta be other worthy candidates.
Okay, this is not going to be a popular opinion, but I was pretty bored during this movie. Now, for those who'll say, "This is a summer movie, you're being too harsh." Well, this movie wanted to be taken seriously (why so serious?), so I'm going to judge it seriously. (that's why)
But first of all, I'm going to review the previews!
The Spirit - What... the... hell???? What was this??? Is this movie a joke? Man did this look awful. I still don't know what it is. Hopefully I never will.
The Day The Earth Stood Still - I might check this out. But looks pretty lame.
Terminator - I'm sorry, but I'm there. A lot of people hate McG. I think this is going to be cool.
The Watchmen - I have heard so much about this movie and wow was I underwhelmed. This looked really cheesy and, quite honestly, dumb. I will not be checking this out.
Okay, to the Dark Night...
First, the good...
1) Heath Ledger. I think people want Ledger to be nominated because it will sort of vindicate the fanboys that comic book movies be taken seriously. He was good - but this stuff about an Oscar nomination... ehhhh, not so sure. I think that's a premature reaction to his death. I really do.
2) The emergence of the batbike was supercool. I was not expecting that.
3) The directing. This is a well made, well-produced movie. Everything from the look to the casting. Some of his action directing could've been better. But overall, very well made.
THE BAD (major spoilers)
Okay, almost all my complaints have to do with the script. And ultimately, this is why I didn't like this movie. But I'll start with the small stuff that bothered me.
1) Batman's costume - Am I the only one who feels that Batman's mask looks really weird on him? It's shaped like a bird. He just looks funny in it.
2) Bale's Batman voice - Remember when you were a kid and you would have to make a phone call to someone pretending you were older than you were? So you husked up your voice to sound more "adult". But the person on the other end always knew you were a kid? That's what Bale's voice sounds like to me. It's almost comical. I guess it is a "comic" book movie though. so maybe it works.
3) Way too much going on - There were honestly like 150 characters in this movie. And about 20 subplots. After awhile of dealing with things like random characters trying to blackmail morgan freeman so that he could tell a funny joke I was like, "come on already. who cares??"
4) The theme - The theme was basically that cities are filled with crime, and there's nothing we can do about it. I'm sorry, but this might have been cutting edge stuff, say, in the 30s. But crime? Today? As something that I worry about? There are far bigger issues in the world that concern me. So right from the start it all felt ho-hum.
5) The Joker Character - a bad guy who has no motivation. I'm sorry but that's stupid. We call it amateurish when any other movie villian is written without a motivation. Clearly, this is overlooked because of Ledger's performance. But at the end I was like, "huh? he does this cause he's got nothing better to do?" lame.
5) GIVE ME A BREAK - The thing that turns Harvey into Two-Face. We're to believe, not only, that Batman is so into fighting crime that he leaves the love of his life to die to save Harvey Dent? But also, that batman couldn't take 1 second to turn back and TELL THE POLICE WHICH PERSON HE WAS GOING TO SAVE so they could go save the other one!?? Give me a break.
6) GIVE ME A BREAK 2 - Who honestly bought into that b.s. that the police would actually want to *arrest* batman??? How did this make any sense?? It is only there to create artificial conflict but there is absolutely no point to it! The guy is helping you! And he's doing your job better than you are! So what's your solution? Put him behind bars! Yeah, makes sense to me.
7) Cell phone thing - this was just dumb and pointless.
8) The ending - The big ending to a 180 million dollar movie is someone holding a kid hostage? Wow, I think I saw this on a rerun of C.S.I. last week. I was hoping after 2 hours and THIRTY MINUTES! (yes, cause this movie needed to be that long) that I'd least get some bang for my buck. Instead I got some introspective voice over and batman falling 1 story. Enough said.
It's very clear I'm in the minority here, but those are my reasons for not liking the movie.
I just watched the Burton "Batman" again. And I have to say... it didn't hold up *at all*. Nolan's TDK is superior on every level. But the biggest disappointment was the Joker, because I remembered it as being so much better; and now, in comparison, the Ledger Joker was far more believable.
I guess you hated LOTR's! :grin:I like a nice 2 hour action movie. I have two dogs at home that don't like to be left alone. Going to the movies shouldn't be a four hour endeavor.rogar-Evil(DBG):
I guess you hated LOTR's! :grin:
Following Barry's, post, just revisited 1. Its a different movie. The acting was not up there, specialy on the supporting cast. However, both Jack and Keaton were top notch. We have to remember that this was a "transitional" Batman- a bridge from the Old 60'ies to the end of 80'ies Batman. This movie was extremely influencial and lead the way for the Darker Batman comics seen in the 90'ies till today.
While some of the acting is indeed campy, and the sets look very studio, it has "soul". I really like Keaton's take on the character. Compared to the Dark Knight, it is obviously more campy and "unrealistic". It doesn't take itself so seriously.
I would really like to see a post "Sweeney Todd" Burton take on Batman. Now that the franchise has done away with the restrictions of the PG rating, I insist in the opinion of that being simply amazing- Burton's Gothic Mise-en-Scene with Miller's writting. Johny Depp as the " next" Joker, or as the Riddler...
Will revisit Batman Returns tomorrow...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._FreezeBy the way, is Mr. Freeze just some villian made up for the Batman cartoons or was he in the DC comics. I never read them.