FEATURE: STEP OFF (was "Battle") - Narrative Feature

Okay back to the beginning.

1. It is important to note that STEP OFF isn't my first film. Therefore it does benefit from the hindsight of the good, bad and ugly of many projects that I've been associated with in the past.

2. We set out to make STEP OFF with full confidence that we would find a distribution home for it. The only question would be how wide a release would it get.

a) We knew we could self-distribute through non-exclusive partnerships we'd forged with the release of our documentary BEAT MAKERS (go see it on HULU for me please). So, at the very least we'd have outlets at Amazon, Indipix, Hulu, etc. when we completed the film.

b) We had offers that we had turned down with Beat Makers because self-distributing offered actual money directly to us and NOT being caught up in distribution fees, etc. like in the case of my first feature film Behind The Nine. I made a deal with Echelon Entertainment for Behind the Nine and it has sold in at least 9 territories but I've yet to collect a dime because of distribution fees not being covered from the sales. All that being said, if the right distributor who wasn't directly tied into the majors (Warners, Lionsgate, etc.) showed enough real interest to work with us, we figured we'd have this route available as well.

c) We were making a narrative feature that hadn't been made as yet. Sure there have been Hip-Hop films (many) but none had focused on Music Producer/Beatmaking culture as yet. It is a niche that is very active online and we felt fairly easy to reach (that's now debatable since we've had less support from Hip-Hop sites than we expected in terms of spreading the word) directly. AUDIENCE MUST BE TANGIBLE! We knew there was an active Beatmaking community from our experience with the Documentary as well as with our general knowledge of Hip-Hop culture going in.

d) We committed more resources than we had done on any of our previous films so we knew Production Value would be much higher than ones we'd done before. We knew it would LOOK LIKE a REAL MOVIE. Sounds silly but again, PERCEPTION is reality. You tell someone you make movies and they expect what is playing at their local theaters, not what they won't catch at their local film festival. We had MORE locations, more 2nd Unit focus, more of the kinds of things that you usually (or at least I) don't worry as much about on making a low budget film. Ordinarily, as a writer, I focus on story. So my concern is shooting the material in the script. For example, we produced a really good short called "B.A.M." that did well on the festival circuit. It's essentially a twist on courtroom drama. So we shot the court, and the flashbacks from the court. It looks good, it's well done...but what if that was a feature film? It would be too claustraphobic, too contained. Believe me, if you ever watch Behind the Nine (available at Netflix), you'll see what I mean. So, we made a conscious effort to open STEP OFF up as much as we possibly could on a low budget. So, we knew we'd have the best movie we'd made on our hands (at least in terms of how it would be PERCEIVED by the average viewer) as evidenced by even our first trailer.

e) Which brings me to the plan. And this is something I've shared with some via pm and maybe it seemed like I was keeping something back because it seems so simple. However, I assure you, this is all stuff we knew going in which means it's something you ALL KNOW going in. Creating awareness for your film is the most important part of the puzzle at every stage of the game. So, we were about to shoot STEP OFF (yes, Battle at the time)...we TOLD EVERYONE we were about to shoot it. Press releases, blog posts, forum visits, every time I was out and about at a film event...(We're shooting, we're about to shoot, etc.)...at this stage. Have your logline as second nature. "What's it about? Well, it's...." Let EVERYONE KNOW you're creating a movie.

RINSE and REPEAT at every stage of production.

GET A POSTER before you're done shooting. Ours was unveiled just after we wrapped Principal Photography. We were behind the curve, it was supposed to be done BEFORE we started shooting...get the poster MADE ASAP. Ours got changed when they changed the title but you see they used our concept and modified it to be slicker...Again, try to make your poster look as much like a REAL MOVIE as possible. The poster is key to making the one sheet which is something you pass along to distributors officially...but if your poster isn't at least close to being a PRO Poster, then that hurts the overall appeal. I've seen a lot of festival posters in my day and most of them look like they belong at film festivals. Some are nice, but most do not look like a movie that is coming to theaters soon. And I know that some people do not like the slick posters at their local theater and prefer artsier ones, etc. Okay, fine. Just KNOW what that means for the perception of your movie. Now that's not to say our poster is great but we tested our poster with a lot of people to get to where it was when we released it. It made a site dedicated to movie posters and despite the critique given, that fact alone made me proud that we were being treated like any other movie (for the record our poster was next to Narnia's last movie poster at that site).

And then comes the TRAILER...that should be the first thing you cut. I see a lot of posts about we've got a rough cut about 3 or 4 weeks out of principal photography...that's nice...WHERE'S THE TRAILER?? We released our trailer on New Year's Eve 2009...tried to make it a big deal...slowly it did become a big deal. We ran the trailer for 8 months as we were in post and still promoting the crap out of the movie...gradually the trailer got OUT THERE...Fandango, iTunes, etc. We were running well with theatrical features from Screen Gems, etc. on some sites. All the while, we sent hundreds of queries and general notes about the movie. We sent about 9 or 10 official press releases about different aspects of the movie...I personally was frustrated that we were largely ignored by the indie film press for the most part. One of my favorite movie sites did 80 stories on RED STATE and couldn't even blog once about my indie project even while running on the most viewed on iTunes for a couple weeks. However, for the hundreds that ignored us, a few posted something about us.

Our movie was getting to be known...the distributors that had not paid attention to our emails previously were now pursuing us...wanting to know when we'd be done with post, when they'd get a screener, etc. That's when we KNEW we'd get a real distribution deal.

f) Meanwhile post-production was WAY longer than we expected. Largely due to the music. We were making a music movie and had 73 original pieces of music to put into the film. That's a lot of musicians to deal with. Dealing with that many moving parts is pretty time-consuming.

So, we wanted to capitalize on the awareness we'd created about the movie. I mean who knows how long they'd be interested...maybe some other decently made Hip-Hop movie would come along in the interim, etc. So we put temp score and music into the locked picture in order to send a reasonable rough cut of the movie to select distributors. We made a list of 5 to reach out to. Our wishlist. That would be it, none of the others would have a shot at it until we were actually done and perhaps after festivals.

Well, we got 2 offers, and we took 1 of them. Our movie would be a Lionsgate release some time in 2011...we didn't know when at the time we made the deal in Sept. 2010.


That's a quick re-cap, off the dome recollection. I can do certain pieces later more focused on specific questions but I figured this one would serve as a decent re-Opening.

-Martin
 
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Martay,

You've had success on a low scale, are you able to go into detail like Adam has in his thread about your distribution trials, what you've gotten as far as distro etc or are you not allowed to?

I feel like the board could use another perspective on it all, especially considering the low budget nature of Step Off/Battle.

Sure, I did a lengthy post re-cap of my experience on STEP OFF.

Here's a difference between me and Adam's situation (at least what I can ascertain on the surface)

- Step Off/Battle is ULTRA LOW BUDGET (by the SAG ULB standards) while Corrado/Bad Ass is MODIFIED LOW BUDGET (over 300K correct?)

- Step Off/Battle was made in Atlanta, GA while Corrado/Bad Ass was made in L.A.

- Step Off/Battle has no names in the movie (at least according to the distributor) while Corrado/Bad Ass has Tom Sizemore among others.

Still, both movies came out on DVD recently and are widely available on that format.

I don't know, and if I missed it fill me in how available Bad Ass is on On Demand but Step Off is widely available UNTIL MAY 1st (then I'm not sure how available it will be) for On Demand.

These are the differences I can see on the surface.

However, Adam has already leveraged his movie into 2 subsequent projects while I'm still in flux in terms of solid deals for my own subsequent projects.

A lot of this is likely attributed (again my opinion) to a higher profile perception that Adam has compared to me. Here are things I know Adam has done from his thread that I haven't had the oppotunity as yet to do. He's hired a major movie actor and dealt with A-level agents. He's spent Hundreds of thousands of dollars on a production. He's moved swiftly into other projects prior to his film being released. These are things that have benefitted him greatly in terms of the way he's been able to move to a different stage of his career.

I am hoping for similar leveraging opportunities but that remains to be seen thus far. I will be making more movies and have the resources to do so (albeit on a similar level as before, just with less uncertainty) comfortably.

Let's keep it going with discussion, ask me questions, I'll let you know if I can't answer them but mostly short of specific #s the information will be relevant.

Thanks,

Martin
 
What he said...I liked Adam's page, in fact so far I live by the examples he's set, but I want to hear the perspective of a much lower budget (and closer to my budget) film because I can't afford Messner and Sizemore...nor are my cojones as large as adam's (yet).

Plus you chose a genre that's not "popular" world wide (even domestic perhaps) and you STILL got distribution..which to me says 1. this movie must be pretty darn good 2. I need to take pointers from this guy to make my own product better :-D

Well, I hope No. 1 is correct :)

As for the genre not being "popular"...I think that is deceptive. It's an Urban Film. It's a Hip-Hop Film. I can't think of two things more popular when it really comes down to it. Urban audiences are underserved even with Tyler Perry making 2 movies per year. The African-American audience consumes movies dispreportionally relative to its population, yet there are not many films targeted specifically to that audience. Well, at least not that many well-made ones. So, making a decently produced movie that serves that audience is a smart move in my opinion. So even if it doesn't seem like a "popular" genre, when it's a well-made movie (rather than the typically horribly-made one) in that genre, there is a recognized market for it.

And pointers...sure glad to give any that help.

-Martin
 
Doubling up on this here. I couldn't afford any names, either, even with some accessible to me. The budget is hyper low, and the chance of success also, but that seems like what Battle had going for it as well. Despite the cautions in Adam's thread, BATTLE DID SELL TO LIONSGATE. That deserves a lot of attention around here.

Granted, I do think there were some niche names present, right?

Either way, if you can afford to be as transparent as Adam, that would be invaluable and, to me, a lot closer to home for a lot of us.

I'll try to be more transparent.

We thought we had some names, and in a way, they were name enough to prove we were serious about making a movie. I mean, the distributors discounted folks we'd played up as being names but it didn't really matter at that point as they were interested in the movie itself.

However, when you cast Taurean Blacque (an EMMY NOMINEE) rather than your uncle Joe, it proves that you're serious about making a movie. When you go after E. Roger Mitchell (Battle: Los Angeles, CL's Best Actor in Atlanta 2010) for a small but important role it shows you're interested in quality. Even if those names don't mean anything in terms of sales, the perception everywhere else is that you're not kidding around about making a real movie.

Believe me, I know the temptation of using friends. Hell, I use many friends in Step Off as well...but I've seen too many productions who are not perceived as serious because they're not casting a wide net in terms of finding serious talent.

Like I said, poke me, I'll be happy to talk more about it.

-Martin
 
Those are great responses, Martay.

The paragraphs about posters and trailers really caught my attention, as I am one of those who've gotten two cuts done in a matter of four weeks. On my end, though, there's no trailer available because it's going to cost more than time to get it chopped properly: it needs VFX added, and I'd rather not pay for VFX passes twice around just to get a trailer out there. On the other hand, if it's good enough to get somewhere I wouldn't have to pay for it?

Poster, I need to get that one done as well.

I see both yours and Adam's info as very valuable because they're two different types of work that both seem to have helped leverage either returns or more opportunities. So thanks for taking the time out to post for us!
 
Those are great responses, Martay.

The paragraphs about posters and trailers really caught my attention, as I am one of those who've gotten two cuts done in a matter of four weeks. On my end, though, there's no trailer available because it's going to cost more than time to get it chopped properly: it needs VFX added, and I'd rather not pay for VFX passes twice around just to get a trailer out there. On the other hand, if it's good enough to get somewhere I wouldn't have to pay for it?

Poster, I need to get that one done as well.

I see both yours and Adam's info as very valuable because they're two different types of work that both seem to have helped leverage either returns or more opportunities. So thanks for taking the time out to post for us!

Yes, get the poster done.

Did you have a plan for the VFX going in? Had they been working on them already?

One thing that you might do rather than a trailer is a slick teaser.

Also, I think it might be important to point out that we had a Self-Distribution plan on hand and being pieced together as we were in post-production as a back-up in case we didn't find a traditional distribution outlet.

So, when we did our trailer, that was THE trailer...until it wasn't. So definitely take your time to make a trailer you're happy with...but just remember that in the way we did it. The trailer was an intregal part of our awareness campaign and without it leading for 7 months we may not have had the interest at the time we leaked our rough cut. It's a chicken/egg scenario. What if we had the movie done before the trailer? We could have sent screeners to distributors...but their reaction "prior" to having the trailer garnering thousands of hits on various trailer sites might have been less than we'd liked.

That's why I stress the importance of the trailer.

My opinion is that small films need BIG awareness in order to get the attention of the larger distributors. Again it goes back to proving marketability. If you can show over 100,000 hits on a trailer that isn't from a studio, you prove that there is at least some interest in the project.

-Martin
 
What are some of the other sites where you can put up trailers? I plan to also hit up quite a few horror site type places, but I've really been so busy in post that I haven't had the time as of yet.
 
What are some of the other sites where you can put up trailers? I plan to also hit up quite a few horror site type places, but I've really been so busy in post that I haven't had the time as of yet.

You want your page to host one. Obviously, YouTube, Vimeo, etc.

I'm sure you'll find a lot more places for a horror film but also the main ticket sites, moviefone, fandango, shadow and act, and news sites that list upcoming movies coming soon, etc.

Anywhere you find trailers, I'd say try to get your trailer uploaded there. So have copies on disc in case the administrators request it that way.

You will have to set a release date for many of the sites, so be realistic. Think at least 6 months out from when you start making the rounds. So you've got your trailer 5/1/2011 ready to take on the world. Set your release date for 11/2/2011. And promote your trailer on the sites you control YouTube, Vimeo, etc. so you can keep a view count handy. However, you're likely to find other sites picking up your trailer as its popularity grows a little. That's a good thing.

-Martin
 
Got the youtube and vimeo done, but I'll definitely look into the others. I can't wait to get to the point in my film where I can just focus more on that aspect of it. I'm hoping that'll be soon. Real soon.
 
I haven't completed a feature and haven't done worldwide marketing. I've been to festivals and read a lot about distro on various levels.

I thank Martay for being so open with his discussion. You'll find that most filmmakers won't be that open when talking to the public. I find that it's due to several reasons that you all may know already.

Moving on. I haven't read much about Corrado/Bad Ass but I'm pretty sure about this aspect. It's tough to compare films apples to apples most of the time. He's right. The audience is underserved with this type of film. It's conflicting because hip hop has the largest influence on the world in the past several years. It's up for debate why that is also. Bootlegging. The acceptance of the mixtape way of distro (much like hip hop music). Lack of diversity in hip hop stories. I'm sure you all can think of some. Tyler Perry was mentioned but he's an exception to the rule. Why? His fanbase is different than every other fanbase out there. He's heavily supported by the black church. However, he still loses a lot to bootlegging.

Comparing Step Off to Corrado/Bad Ass is probably not a great idea for other filmmakers. It's not about who made the right move and who made the wrong move. We've all seen bad movies with Hollywood names and good movies with newcomers. Sometimes we just don't get the support that we deserve. Hustle and Flow and Miracles at St. Anna were examples of this. I know that I had a dozen or more discussions with people that turned their backs on Hustle simply because it had a pimp with rap music. They missed the entire story.

I do know that it's important to note that Step Off didn't do the fest circuit. He mentioned it before that they had a strict plan to beat the streets instead. If you've been to film fests, you know that they have a life of their own and films typically follow that life. If you haven't been to a fest, you should go to one. Pay attention to what you're attracted to when you walk in the marketplace, if there is one. Is it the posters? People that are talking about the film? Write ups? Flyers? Are the filmmakers in attendance? Try to follow your movie wherever you go. Otherwise you won't know if you're movie has been played at all and you won't know what the responses are. Also the smaller the budget, the less people you have to spread around. One of the first things to go will be PR. I've read it before and it has been mentioned here. If you're thinking about where your film will play and you're almost done filming, you're behind the 8 ball. One person mentioned that they don't want to do a trailer. That's gonna be a tough one. How will you draw interest? Have you decided that this first film is only a precursor to a sequel? Maybe the first one is just to say that it's in the can giving you the ability to shop it to majors. That's the approach that I'm leaning toward for one of mine.

Basically, we live by these rules of what filmmaking is and should be. I think that the most important aspect here is that the filmmakers have moved forward and are making their way through the BS. We also can't count out old fashioned luck. Most of my favorite films were never nominated for Academy Awards. As great as Christopher Nolan has been to the film economy, he's been almost shut out when it comes to being mentioned for top honors.

If you haven't seen Step Off, do so. It's a good effort and I think that indies can learn something. I did.

Tieuel Legacy! Motion
 
It's tough to compare films apples to apples most of the time. He's right. The audience is underserved with this type of film. It's conflicting because hip hop has the largest influence on the world in the past several years. It's up for debate why that is also. Bootlegging. The acceptance of the mixtape way of distro (much like hip hop music). Lack of diversity in hip hop stories. I'm sure you all can think of some. Tyler Perry was mentioned but he's an exception to the rule. Why? His fanbase is different than every other fanbase out there. He's heavily supported by the black church. However, he still loses a lot to bootlegging.
Comparing Step Off to Corrado/Bad Ass is probably not a great idea for other filmmakers. It's not about who made the right move and who made the wrong move. We've all seen bad movies with Hollywood names and good movies with newcomers. Sometimes we just don't get the support that we deserve. Hustle and Flow and Miracles at St. Anna were examples of this. I know that I had a dozen or more discussions with people that turned their backs on Hustle simply because it had a pimp with rap music. They missed the entire story.

Films really IMO can’t be ever compared to one another. Like painted art or photography or sculpture. There are some pieces in Downtown Atlanta that honestly I felt a 5 year old could do, BUT someone thought it was artistic expression.

Making money on a project is not easy. You have to hit the market at the right time, with a good movie, that people actually want to see. You can make a country drama but if people want to see a city-romantic comedy you may loose. You can have what the people want to see, but it be done in a very poor fashion and therefore the audience wanes after the first weekend. Have you seen how films in the first weekend bring in Upteenth Mill, but by the second weekend are barely doing 30% of that?

Also to note, the African-American market isn’t as easy as it once was to please. Diversity in culture, economics, region and even nationality (Jamaican, African, etc) has made the market much more difficult. As many people as I run into that Love Tyler P, I run into the same amount that hate him. As many people that love movies like “Breakin’ All the Rules.” I run into the same amount that don’t care for them.

I’m only bringing these up because of the mention of so many Black films. But I think it’s important to look at all aspects of this process and come up with a strategy that works.
 
It's conflicting because hip hop has the largest influence on the world in the past several years. It's up for debate why that is also. Bootlegging. The acceptance of the mixtape way of distro (much like hip hop music). Lack of diversity in hip hop stories. I'm sure you all can think of some. -Tieuel Legacy! Motion

I've always wondered this as well. How Hip-Hop films still garner a stigma that they won't translate overseas. I mean, hip-hop is the dominant music culture in the world and yet distributors still think it's a tough sell overseas. It has always amazed me that this perception still lingers. And who knows, I'm not a distributor so I don't know first hand. Are the buyers tastes just different? Have they been burned by shoddy products in the past? I mean, these could be valid reasons in my mind but don't know for sure.

And big thanks for the comments!

-M
 

Films really IMO can’t be ever compared to one another. Like painted art or photography or sculpture. There are some pieces in Downtown Atlanta that honestly I felt a 5 year old could do, BUT someone thought it was artistic expression.

Also to note, the African-American market isn’t as easy as it once was to please.


I agree, almost no two films can be considered Apples to Apples.

Also, I agree with your second statement as well. It falls into a greater truth though that it is HARDER for everyone to get decent distribution. All the markets have been re-examined and where it may have been easier to enter the market as an independent 5 - 8 years ago and get some traction...it seems to be quite a bit harder now.

So, African-American market is tightening as well. Also, I think that at one point, there seemed to be almost no product specifically targeting that market so anything that did was accepted into the market-place. Thankfully in some ways, the market is a little more selective in its offerings.

Not completely gone, but less common, that you'd see a slick DVD (heck videotape) cover and rent the movie that appeared to be shot on VHS Camcorder in somebodies back yard. At least there seems to be a little higher demand for production value from the distributors.

-Martin
 


Films really IMO can’t be ever compared to one another. Like painted art or photography or sculpture. There are some pieces in Downtown Atlanta that honestly I felt a 5 year old could do, BUT someone thought it was artistic expression.

Making money on a project is not easy. You have to hit the market at the right time, with a good movie, that people actually want to see. You can make a country drama but if people want to see a city-romantic comedy you may loose. You can have what the people want to see, but it be done in a very poor fashion and therefore the audience wanes after the first weekend. Have you seen how films in the first weekend bring in Upteenth Mill, but by the second weekend are barely doing 30% of that?

Also to note, the African-American market isn’t as easy as it once was to please. Diversity in culture, economics, region and even nationality (Jamaican, African, etc) has made the market much more difficult. As many people as I run into that Love Tyler P, I run into the same amount that hate him. As many people that love movies like “Breakin’ All the Rules.” I run into the same amount that don’t care for them.

I’m only bringing these up because of the mention of so many Black films. But I think it’s important to look at all aspects of this process and come up with a strategy that works.

JLS4, I agree about the artwork. One person's trash is another person's treasure. I say trash loosely of course.

I agree. Timing is key. Subject matter is key also. As often as we hear that people need to make different types of movies with "urban" representation, it's often that people don't support as much as they talk. I see that AMC is doing an interesting INDEPENDENT series now with "Mooz-lum" and "I Will Follow". Gives a 2-3 week run that is good for those filmmakers. Right now it's not the rule for filmmakers to get into AMC though. Hopefully, it will be.

I'm a Tyler Perry fan but I understand what you mean. I enjoy most of his work and I feel that he's important to the artform. He's getting 2 films a year which is closer to what the trailblazers did. One thing that I would suggest for him is to create an alias. Keep "Tyler Perry" on the Madea movies but create an alias for the more serious works. It's tough to be a comedian AND be consistent with dramatic work. The issues that people (other than the church fanbase) have with his comedies are automatically coupled with his dramas. They don't take the time to see the dramatic work because they imagine buffoonery. That's not good for indie film.

And I'll be the first to admit that I do enjoy silly movies sometime. People dog Jamie for Booty Call but I liked it. To me, it was an underground cult classic. No different than National Lampoon-type isht.

People may not like this comment but I know that it's a fact. It's not that we are harder to please than we once were. Look at the music that is prevalent in the media. There are cookie cutters out there. The different, to me, is that bootlegging is even easier now. It still baffles me that people buy bootlegs but they offer them to me often enough. We will pay $5 or 3 for $10 and risk hearing the popcorn and crowd as part of the soundtrack. I honestly don't see as many people from other races (outside of black, asian, and indian) selling bootlegs as often. Tieuel Legacy! Motion
 
I've always wondered this as well. How Hip-Hop films still garner a stigma that they won't translate overseas. I mean, hip-hop is the dominant music culture in the world and yet distributors still think it's a tough sell overseas. It has always amazed me that this perception still lingers. And who knows, I'm not a distributor so I don't know first hand. Are the buyers tastes just different? Have they been burned by shoddy products in the past? I mean, these could be valid reasons in my mind but don't know for sure.

And big thanks for the comments!

-M


Martin, I've heard the same things about overseas distro. I ran across this a month or so ago. It's long but it gives a bit more outlook.

http://www.shadowandact.com/?p=33440

I remember listening to people mention that their films rights were purchased in regions 1 and 2 especially. However, the distributors often didn't have any intention of selling there. That's dishonest for filmmakers that wouldn't mind finding distro overseas or doing it themselves. I think it's attainable over there but it's not easy. Think about how we can police our product in our home city. In order to have the same policing in another state, it would be easier to have eyes in that state. That becomes harder overseas. However, musicians seem to be appreciated more overseas. They can do well especially if they live overseas. There are quite a few musicians that have done so after being with major labels in America. Bottom line, try to maintain rights in other regions.

Again I'll bring up bootlegging. I saw an article that mentioned bust of bootlegged African films in New York. That small place was popping out about 20,000 DVDs in a short period of time (between about 20 titles). Also, I remember a colleague hearing about his film being bootlegged in South America. It's kinda bittersweet. They have shown interest but they're making money off of your project without you making a dime.

I'm in agreement with the mention of the AfAmerican market. Put a fine chick with a gun on the cover and you have a few thousand rentals.

This is a film friend of mine that creates films mostly in Houston and distros through Maverick quite a bit. He also has an article about bootlegging that I don't see right away.

http://www.maverickentertainment.cc/blog/reflections-of-a-black-independent-filmmaker

Tieuel Legacy! Motion
 
I agree. Timing is key. Subject matter is key also. As often as we hear that people need to make different types of movies with "urban" representation, it's often that people don't support as much as they talk. I see that AMC is doing an interesting INDEPENDENT series now with "Mooz-lum" and "I Will Follow". Gives a 2-3 week run that is good for those filmmakers. Right now it's not the rule for filmmakers to get into AMC though. Hopefully, it will be.

I'm a Tyler Perry fan but I understand what you mean. I enjoy most of his work and I feel that he's important to the artform. He's getting 2 films a year which is closer to what the trailblazers did. One thing that I would suggest for him is to create an alias.


I think you have to take a good look at the Codeblack Article you posted below (Which I’m going to reread in a bit – skimmed through). It’s about business, nothing more. Yes bootlegging is bad but there is still a strong enough market not to “kill off” the industry or those who play in it.

I’m not going to speak to any particular movie or filmmaker saying what I do like and what I don’t from a filmmaker. (Things can come back to bite you) But I’ve spent most of my life being attracted to Sci-Fi and Fantasy, not Urban-comedy nor Urban-Drama. And I don’t think Tyler looses fans because of the move from one genre to another, if that were true Steven Spielberg and Will Smith would be hurting as well. It’s ultimately about the way the story was told and what story was told.

People may not like this comment but I know that it's a fact. It's not that we are harder to please than we once were. Look at the music that is prevalent in the media. There are cookie cutters out there. … honestly don't see as many people from other races (outside of black, asian, and indian) selling bootlegs as often. Tieuel Legacy! Motion

I don’t think “We” are as hard to please, I think as the articles you already put on the page plainly show. “We” aren’t a market. Think about this: You have Black Americans from at least 3 major social classes that have been there for at least 2 generations, which means their parents and themselves never experienced certain things. When people have a disconnect they tend to be alienated and therefore don’t support. As popular as “Seinfeld” was I never got into the show until my Roommate in College (who actually was Black) watched it. Most Black people I know never got into the “Jewish New York” humor, nor did they watch “Friends”. Were these shows good, yes sure major, but did they resonate in all areas, no.

Shonda Lee over “Grey’s Anatomy” and “Private Practice” is Black. These are two of the most popular shows on the air and while I don’t watch them every week, I can get into these shows easier than “Debbie Does Compton” or “Why We Wuz Colored.” ;-)

My point is that you can have a great movie like “Something New” that I’ll admit was a great movie, but I personally don’t care to see it again because it felt too swayed towards the Black-Female Demographic. But there is nothing wrong with that sway, Black Women need movies that represent them, but you can alienate black men in doing so. The Black Market is now more like: Black Women; Black Family; Black Urban Drama / Action / Comedy; Black Comedy (Difference is in economic status of the characters); Hip Hop; Black Drama; Black History Drama.

For this reason, just as your friend from Maverick, suggests. I think those who shoot black films need to understand the market and make cheaper movies utilizing Digital Technologies and learning the essence of all parts of the movie production line. Learning more than Directing and Writing unfortunately has been a problem for many black filmmakers who don’t care to learn much outside of those niches. I learned 5 years ago that to be a success I would need to learn: Directing, Writing, Producing, Audio, Camera, Lighting, Set Design, Production Design, Editing, Color Correction, Sound Editing, Sound Foley/FX, Visual Effects, 3D Graphics, Wardrobe, etc. This is the future of Black Cinema IMO that doesn’t try to cross over.
 
Again I'll bring up bootlegging. I saw an article that mentioned bust of bootlegged African films in New York. That small place was popping out about 20,000 DVDs in a short period of time (between about 20 titles). Also, I remember a colleague hearing about his film being bootlegged in South America. It's kinda bittersweet. They have shown interest but they're making money off of your project without you making a dime.

I actually did a LOT of research on African Films mainly Nigerian films and I will admit that bootlegging is destroying what they could be creating (3rd strongest film market in the world is in Nigeria) . The Nigerian market is alive because of bootlegging in kind of a weird way.

Nigerian films are generally produced for less than $20K by people who like us want to be filmmakers. They are purchased by distributors who will put out maybe $100K worth of discs. When those discs hit the market, people buy them and take them to other countries like India and China and reproduce them to distribute throughout Africa. The distributor makes some money, the filmmakers make money but there is not enough to really make clean cut films. But the average store in Africa is not a chain store. The way stores are run in other places is different, they are all “Mom-and-Pop.” So getting to them and their customers is a bit difficult. Yes the market is there but not the perfect distro route and there are no in-betweens there like here in America. Once you get past that many people in these regions can’t afford to buy movies. In fact, the filmmaker working with me to do the Nigerian film told me sometimes families get together and buy a movie to watch. Even at $3 it can be costly for many families.

Now how does this effect Black Filmmakers in the US with overseas markets. Many times non-African Origin peoples don’t care to see our movies. Which means they pass to the over 1 Billion African Origin People in the world. Unfortunately many of them live in impoverished countries and can’t afford the purchase at “full price”. So the bootlegger buys the DVD, rips it and sells it for $2 or $3.

If anyone is from another country like Nigeria it would be good for them to chime in. This is the information I took from my research. It may not be perfect in every aspect. But logically it makes since. India and Europe have lots of “Disposable Cash” and China is getting stronger everyday. Why would an Indian or German or French person want to see your movie? Yes Black people live there, but in America there are only 12-13% Black, Accoring to Wikipedia in 2009 852.4 Million people lived in Europe, there are roughly 4 to 10 Million black people in Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_in_Europe that’s less than 2%.

So now relook at your movie; rethink your movie. Think about why overseas distro is harder for black films.
 
I actually did a LOT of research on African Films mainly Nigerian films and I will admit that bootlegging is destroying what they could be creating (3rd strongest film market in the world is in Nigeria) . The Nigerian market is alive because of bootlegging in kind of a weird way.

Nigerian films are generally produced for less than $20K by people who like us want to be filmmakers. They are purchased by distributors who will put out maybe $100K worth of discs. When those discs hit the market, people buy them and take them to other countries like India and China and reproduce them to distribute throughout Africa. The distributor makes some money, the filmmakers make money but there is not enough to really make clean cut films. But the average store in Africa is not a chain store. The way stores are run in other places is different, they are all “Mom-and-Pop.” So getting to them and their customers is a bit difficult. Yes the market is there but not the perfect distro route and there are no in-betweens there like here in America. Once you get past that many people in these regions can’t afford to buy movies. In fact, the filmmaker working with me to do the Nigerian film told me sometimes families get together and buy a movie to watch. Even at $3 it can be costly for many families.

Now how does this effect Black Filmmakers in the US with overseas markets. Many times non-African Origin peoples don’t care to see our movies. Which means they pass to the over 1 Billion African Origin People in the world. Unfortunately many of them live in impoverished countries and can’t afford the purchase at “full price”. So the bootlegger buys the DVD, rips it and sells it for $2 or $3.

If anyone is from another country like Nigeria it would be good for them to chime in. This is the information I took from my research. It may not be perfect in every aspect. But logically it makes since. India and Europe have lots of “Disposable Cash” and China is getting stronger everyday. Why would an Indian or German or French person want to see your movie? Yes Black people live there, but in America there are only 12-13% Black, Accoring to Wikipedia in 2009 852.4 Million people lived in Europe, there are roughly 4 to 10 Million black people in Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_in_Europe that’s less than 2%.

So now relook at your movie; rethink your movie. Think about why overseas distro is harder for black films.

It definitely doesn't look like the African-American market is very big when you look at the population numbers here. I also feel like black people have been and will continue to be underepresented on TV and in film partly for that reason. For black artists, whether it be music or film or anything, there has always been this need felt to have to "cross over" appeal in order to be successful. Think about in the 1950s and 1960s for instance when record companies would sometimes put out record covers without the actual "black" artists on them so that they would sell more. Did it work? Yep. Was it right? No, but yes for the companies that made the money. The attitude for a long time has been that if you can "cross over" and sell to a white audience, then other audiences will surely follow, including the black audience. I've found that it's actually been true in most situations. If you're an indie filmmaker, you always have to think about who your audience might be and what might appeal to people. I'm always conscious of that with my films and I have often felt that I needed to make a film that would attract people outside the black audience. With the numbers, it only makes sense to try and do it that way. If you had a group of 20 men and 2 women, for instance, and you had a product that you wanted to be successful, who are you going to cater too? The men. That's one way of looking at it and one that's hard to ignore. However, there is also another way that seems to fuel my direction even more that represents the real indie filmmaker in me. That is to make a great film above all else. I think if you can truly achieve that, the genre and audience will not matter as much, because everybody loves great films. The hardest part is making one though.
 
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