Star Trek

I have seen it, I posted that back in one of the old Cloverfield threads.

I was kidding about wanting answers, I'm very familiar with J.J. and his style.

I have seen J.J. speak faster than that.
 
The guys who made the cgi video of the airplane landing on the car in J.J's Ted video posted it here (and in a few other internet groups) right after they made it a few years ago.

I forgot thier screen names but it's kind of cool to see J.J. make a reference to it.
 
William_Robinette said:
I think TMP was one of the best of the films ever made.
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This is why there's chocolate and vanilla. And strawberry.

William_Robinette said:
There are times where it gets a little old, but with the new effects in the extended cut I think it is great.
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With the exception of at least one or two shots that convey what V'Ger actually looks like, I think the very last thing that film needs is more VFX shots...

William_Robinette said:
What don't you like about it?
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Mostly the fact that it's horribly paced. And captures little to none of what made Star Trek fun. And (with the exception of the major hardware) really poor, flat art direction (particularly with regard to costuming; Dr. Dentons in space, etc).

The only unqualified win so far as I can see, is the score. Tough to go too far wrong, with Jerry Goldsmith.


*edit* and I've always been disappointed by what impresses me as a rather cowardly decision to excise the more grotesque elements of the transporter accident from the first third of the original theatrical cut of the film. Maybe they cut that back into the re-release; I haven't taken the time to watch it.
 
Deepfocus88 said:
Well bro, at least we can agree on Breaking Bad. :)
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As for Breaking Bad... "stay out of my territory." Great episode yet again.

I'm glad you liked the opening sequence. I thought it was amazing, and you hit on some good points. (space/vacuum issue)
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Of course they went from that beautiful scene to the completely pointless Beastie Boys car chase over the cliff. This took me right out of the film.

For all the die-hard Trek fans who feel majorly let down, remember this: You didn't get Jar Jar Binks. 10 years later, I'm still bummed.
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I didn't hate Star Trek. I can't say I was 100% dissatisfied, but overall I did feel let down. It was still a fun film in some respects though. Mainly the script above all others was what screwed this pooch. The cast was really good, the new music was good, it had excellent sound design, the effects and production design felt right, even the brewery/engine room stuff didn't bother me, and JJ Abram's direction while a bit tight and overdone in terms of always moving the camera and shoving lens flare after lens flare in my face, worked pretty well overall.

I guess I just don't dig Orci and Kurtzman and their shtick. Felt the same way about their script for Transformers as well.

As Mark said:

Mark Harris said:
This movie was a turd-burger, hold the mayo. Sorry, a turd-burger, hold the mayo, but extra lens-flares, please.
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I wouldn't call it a turd-burger, but maybe a dog biscuit. One is worse than the other, but neither one is something I would want to eat.

William_Robinette said:
I think TMP was one of the best of the films ever made. There are times where it gets a little old, but with the new effects in the extended cut I think it is great. What don't you like about it?
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Sad Max said:
Remember how disappointing TMP was? Remember how much better WOK turned out to be?

Let's hope for a similar relationship between this and the next one.
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While I enjoyed TMP and feel that it is one of the strongest of the Trek films, I like WOK even more and hope for a better sequel a couple years from now with Abram's new/young Trek crew.

Sad Max said:
Mostly the fact that it's horribly paced. And captures little to none of what made Star Trek fun. And (with the exception of the major hardware) really poor, flat art direction (particularly with regard to costuming; Dr. Dentons in space, etc).
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Thing is I feel that this new Trek film was badly paced as well, just in the opposite direction. While TMP was a bit slow at times, this new film didn't have enough slower moments to let the audience catch their breath, and to add some contrast to the action scenes. Also, the first act rushed through the character development of Kirk, Spock, and Bones. I wish this film could've been 15-20 minutes longer to allow for some Star Fleet Academy scenes showing them learning and developing their skills, instead of cut to "3 years later". Again, I blame Orci and Kurtzman's script most of all, as pacing was a major problem with Transformers as well.
 
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Speaking of TMP, was it just me, or was "Admiral" Pike's costume at the end a complete ripoff of Kirk's Admiral uniform in TMP? (And I don't mean "ripoff" in a negative sense. :) ) It wasn't, of course, made out of the 10 Commandments fabric this time; which, of course, is a good thing... :D
 
Saw it.

Didn't think it was all that bad really. Not great, but not terrible either.
I could also go with some of the crazy things going on due to the time travel BS. Once that door is opened you just have to go along with it sometimes.

One thing that caught me off guard was how funny it was. I had a lot of laughs.

Give this cast a great script and they might really have something.

MAH
 
Going around the 'net, I'm seeing a theme emerging . . .

This one could have been better, but the next one's gonna be awesome!!
 
The next one COULD be awesome. But all the hype ("OHMYGOD!!! IT'S JJ ABRAMS!!!!") said this one was going to be the most sublime Trek experience ever.
 
You know what, I honestly don't even care if they make a sequel, and it has nothing to do with the quality of the film. Does the world really need more Star Trek? I'm sure many people feel it does, but I think that well has been wrung pretty dry. That said, I'm sure I'll go see the inevitable follow up.
 
Batutta said:
Here's JJ's answer to his obsession with unexplained mystery, his TED talk. Just be forewarned it's like listening to a 9 year old give a book report after drinking five mountain dew's--

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/j_j_abrams_mystery_box.html
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I started to watch it but lost interest. Little bit of a babble-a-thon for me.
I'll try it again tomorrow when I'm in a better mood maybe, hehe. Yeah, that must be it.

Batutta said:
You know what, I honestly don't even care if they make a sequel, and it has nothing to do with the quality of the film. Does the world really need more Star Trek? I'm sure many people feel it does, but I think that well has been wrung pretty dry. That said, I'm sure I'll go see the inevitable follow up.
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Hell yeah. If they make them good, I'm down for another 6, no problemo.
 
David Jimerson said:
The next one COULD be awesome. But all the hype ("OHMYGOD!!! IT'S JJ ABRAMS!!!!") said this one was going to be the most sublime Trek experience ever.
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It was. :D

Certainly the best of the franchise apart from ST IV, and I'd really have to see those back to back to know if it's better than that.

Can't hold a candle to the original series, of course, but compared to everything that came after it, I sure thought this was more enjoyable. Flawed, obviously. Turd burger? Not really. Room for improvement, unquestionably. But an enjoyable movie? About 10x more enjoyable than Nemesis, 15x better than Undiscovered Country, 1000x more enjoyable than ST5, probably as fun as ST4, 500x better than ST3, 2x better than ST2, and 1500x better than ST:TMP, so ... yeah, I'd say it probably was "the most sublime Trek experience ever." Heh.
 
David Jimerson said:
Going around the 'net, I'm seeing a theme emerging . . .

This one could have been better, but the next one's gonna be awesome!!
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Not sure about that. For me it all lies in the script.
I think this one could have been awesome with a better script.

I do like the recreated characters so therein lies the hope. :)

The next one could also be a complete waste of time. This one wasn't in my opinion. I had fun.

MAH
 
Yeah, you want to talk Turd Burger, what about that last one? Aside from Generations, all of the Next Gens were awful.
 
Does anyone else get the impression, given the low budget and new cast, that the heads didn't have complete confidence in it and wanted to test the waters first before throwing the big bucks at it?

I do. I still see this as an introductory test.

Introducing a new cast, new ideas, new ship. Getting the introductory stuff out of the way by giving some background history on the characters, testing audience responses, before moving on to the bigger stuff, if it works.

Remember there is a new generation of kids out there that may never have seen Star Trek or maybe thought it was too lame, out dated, couldn't relate.

I think it worked overall and now they can pump it up for the next one and put a few more bucks behind it. I'm not too critical on this first release, just as the first original Captain Pike episode was a wash. Anyways they should give the cast another shot at a dedicated story and put a few more dollars behind it.
I can't see why not.
 
Raptor365 said:
Does anyone else get the impression, given the low budget and new cast, that the heads didn't have complete confidence in it and wanted to test the waters first before throwing the big bucks at it?

I do. I still see this as an introductory test.

Introducing a new cast, new ideas, new ship. Getting the introductory stuff out of the way by giving some background history on the characters, testing audience responses, before moving on to the bigger stuff, if it works.

Remember there is a new generation of kids out there that may never have seen Star Trek or maybe thought it was too lame, out dated, couldn't relate.

I think it worked overall and now they can pump it up for the next one and put a few more bucks behind it. I'm not too critical on this first release, just as the first original Captain Pike episode was a wash. Anyways they should give the cast another shot at a dedicated story and put a few more dollars behind it.
I can't see why not.
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There is a whole world out there that dosen't know about Star Trek, it's mainly a North America thing.

They have been in preproduction for the second one for a while now.
 
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