Nirv
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FS7: Sony rumored to release new FS7
- Thread starter Chris Langer
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Liam Hall
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I did. A hundred posts ago. Don't you read the thread?
It's like there's a delayed echo in this thread...
Nirv
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You maybe disappointed but I generally don't find your posts that illuminating so forgive me for skipping them.
Chris Langer
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So when do we expect to hear about this release? It's already 11 PM in Barcelona, so I assume the event has already happened. Here is the original invite. Should we expect something Wednesday November 9th for the official release?
have patience you must. Until 9 am tomorrow EST. everything new about it has already been posted in this thread... search, you must...
Chris Langer
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As the creator of this thread, no need to search as I have read almost every post on the thread. I don't believe we have seen everything that is coming on the camera. It was more of an open ended question, like when does it actually officially drop? I've waited this long, another 12 or so hours isn't too bad. Just thought we would have seen more information by now.
a page or two prior - everything you need to know about is there. nothing else is new. don;t get your hopes up for a panacea tomorrow.
BarryLichtner
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This is arguably the most important "leak" yet. In my mind, at least, the codec, sensor and FPS were still wildcards.
The biggest question I still have is about rec.2020 support because Sony has maintained for about 4 years now that the sensor in the F5/FS7 in not capable of capturing that color space. So there could be a new color filter array, or it could be a processing change to the information, which would actually mean "rec.2020 compatible," not capable to me.
Before anyone jumps on me and calls me an idiot for rehashing something, or a moron for "not getting it," I actually find the BT2020 standard interesting regardless of whether "clients care."
A few days ago someone in another forum said the FS7 II "kit" with the 18-110mm, would sell for around $14K. I think that was a conversion from Euros, so I don't know how close it is, but it fits with the "new" FS7 coming in at a higher price than the current-ish version. I guess we'll know soon.
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Andrew Stone
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Thank you Ned for a clear and eloquent explanation. More people should read this and digest it.
Looking forward to the OFFICIAL announcement if there is one.
dmitrizigany
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Again, it's the Creative Ventures that have a few kits on their site for pre-order with prices. You can have it as a kit with the two Sigma cinema zooms for €13.995 (excluding vat, I believe).
Normally prices in Europe are given including vat (sales tax) which is the cause of lots of confusion when comparing prices between the US and Europe...
They also have a Gratical Eye Recoil kit for €9.395.
Their price for the old FS7 is €6.895 for body only... so might not be so much more expensive?
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BarryLichtner
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How useful would a BT.2020 mode be to you if your sensor can't actually capture all the colors that reside within that gamut? If absolutely nothing changes to the CFA (which is often considered an addition to the sensor), or nothing "new" happens to the image processing, then rec.2020 from the FS7 II will be like 4K from an Amira. Sure, it's "4K" but there's still something missing.
Well... "if" there is an "OFFICIAL" announcement (I'm guessing there will be) then at last we won't have to labor through these insulting posts suggesting that the FS7 II is anything more than an FS7 with an ND filter and couple buttons! Who are these ostriches that dare pull their heads out of the sand?
JPNola
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I appreciate all of of the input and shared knowledge, even though most of this is way over my head despite my having been a shooter for some 25 years now.
I am at the disadvantage of not being as technically knowledgeable as others here, but am I wrong in not seeing anything on that rumored spec list that will result in significant demand for the Fs7 mkII over the Fs7 mkI ? Does BT.2020 matter to anything beyond a market niche?
JackCarter
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Do you shoot in custom mode or in CineEI? I never touch custom mode so BT.2020 does not mean anything to me. I do think we will be grading for REC2020 in the near future but you can film in EI/Log/RAW and still fill this colour space. Won't it be nice to see 12 stops of dynamic range rather than just 6 from REC709? I've not seen a HDR screen yet but it's the next thing in my opinion.
BT.2020 / Rec.2020 is not a niche market. It is the future. It is not just a broadcast spec. It is a mastering color space as well - like DCI P3. It is also a projection color space. Read up on ITU BT.2100, the HDR standard of the future.
Will it matter to your clients? Will they be able to see the differences on most TVs between Rec.709 vs Rec.2020. Unless you are dealing with discriminating cinema or television clients, worried about the longevity of their material for mastering or broadcast, probably not.
Will it matter to your clients? Will they be able to see the differences on most TVs between Rec.709 vs Rec.2020. Unless you are dealing with discriminating cinema or television clients, worried about the longevity of their material for mastering or broadcast, probably not.
BarryLichtner
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No one's corporate clients are going to care about wide color gamuts or high DR content until laptop, tablets and computer monitors make a big leap forward. And so far the only piece of the puzzle that's come together, even a little, is wider color capabilities. For some reason Apple decided to pass on the opportunity to introduce true HDR tech with their 5K iMac and their new MacBook Pro's. In fact they decided to stop making separate monitors all together for now. Since Apple is(was) usually a good predictor of things to come, dongles aside, it might be a long while before Internet content takes advantage of wider color gamuts and higher DR.
TV's are making rapid pace though. LG's 55" OLED with HDR10 and Dolby Vision capability can be had for under $2K now. It's the first time I've seen TV tech outpace monitor technology. So people with clients in broadcast, cable, OTT, etc. might see a demand for "future proofed" content. Netflix is an infamous example of a pusher of those requirements. But that crowd is less likely to be shooting on an FS7 I or "II" anyway.
For some reason my posts seem to read as "Reasons your FS7 is about to be obsolete!!!", when really I'm just interested in the technology that creates moving images. Since I own an FS7 I thought I'd check out this forum. A lot of shooters here seem to eye their cameras nervously, viewing them primarily as tools that rapidly depreciate--with their value predominately determined by whether it can give the client what he/she needs. That's fine. It's just quite different from the attitude usually held by shooters who also make their own creative content--where bringing up a new camera feature doesn't trigger panic and anger (as easily anyway).
TV's are making rapid pace though. LG's 55" OLED with HDR10 and Dolby Vision capability can be had for under $2K now. It's the first time I've seen TV tech outpace monitor technology. So people with clients in broadcast, cable, OTT, etc. might see a demand for "future proofed" content. Netflix is an infamous example of a pusher of those requirements. But that crowd is less likely to be shooting on an FS7 I or "II" anyway.
For some reason my posts seem to read as "Reasons your FS7 is about to be obsolete!!!", when really I'm just interested in the technology that creates moving images. Since I own an FS7 I thought I'd check out this forum. A lot of shooters here seem to eye their cameras nervously, viewing them primarily as tools that rapidly depreciate--with their value predominately determined by whether it can give the client what he/she needs. That's fine. It's just quite different from the attitude usually held by shooters who also make their own creative content--where bringing up a new camera feature doesn't trigger panic and anger (as easily anyway).
moldcad
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I've been grading my S-log3/S-Gamut3.Cine footage for HDR10 exclusively ever since I mastered Resolve enough to do it. I'm grading for my Samsung SUHD KS8000 TV, which is 95% of P3-DCI and rated for 1000 nits (with the peak value of almost 1,500). No "in-camera-Rec.2020" is required!
Piotr
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moldcad
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Do yourself a favor and read this series of articles on the subject - with this one being the most relevant:
http://www.mysterybox.us/blog/2016/10/20/hdr-video-part-4-shooting-for-hdr
Piotr
YouTube just announced that it will stream HDR (compatible with some TV's). Netflix also mentioned its pursuit of the HDR programming. And those two are 2,000 pound gorillas.
In any case, most cameras are technically HDR capable. Most TV's and monitors are not.