Sony a6300 announced
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I think there are much smaller and simpler little adapters which you can plug into the HDMI out port and you can then plug your 3.5mm headphones into that, all very neat and tidy enough
roxics
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Can you point one of these out?
My understanding is that audio is not sent out via HDMI during live recording on a lot of these cameras. Could be wrong.
Plus I have yet to find one that isn't a large box that would hang from your HDMI connection.
deltoidjohn
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4K video (no pixel binnning)
Anyone know what this means in real-life terms? Does it mean they've used a 1:1 crop? Or line skipping? What are the ways they can generate a 4K image from a 24mp source without pixel binning, and what are the effects of each method on the image?
Anyone know what this means in real-life terms? Does it mean they've used a 1:1 crop? Or line skipping? What are the ways they can generate a 4K image from a 24mp source without pixel binning, and what are the effects of each method on the image?
accdg to the papers its full capture at 6k then resizes that to 4k.
One of the main things keeping me from getting the A7s was the idea of having to invest in Full Frame lenses, while not really caring much about the full frame aesthetic (long live S35, and keeping things in focus is my day job). Though this camera will lack the low light of the A7s, it does make up for it by costing half as much. The a6000 also felt great in hand, and was a great size for stills photography, very light.
"My understanding is that audio is not sent out via HDMI during live recording on a lot of these cameras. Could be wrong."
True. For instance, Sescom has adapters that work on only certain Canon T_i cameras that way.
ANother issue is whether the HDMI out is active at all during internal recording...an issue with Panny G7 etc
But yes..for Sony to specifically promote compatibility with their XLR accessories while not including a headphone jack takes some balls.
True. For instance, Sescom has adapters that work on only certain Canon T_i cameras that way.
ANother issue is whether the HDMI out is active at all during internal recording...an issue with Panny G7 etc
But yes..for Sony to specifically promote compatibility with their XLR accessories while not including a headphone jack takes some balls.
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
FALSE.
Sony cameras are known for their integration with external recorders (rumor is that they worked closely with Atomos on the 4K A7s thing). In order to do that, everything must be live when the HDMI is in use. I use an A5100 connected to an Atomos Ninja as well as an A7s, and I know the A6000 works the same way from my experience- all of them feed out a live uncompressed video... AND AUDIO ...when the camera is recording video. When in photography modes (like M), the audio is not live unless you press record. However, in movie mode it is a fully external-recorder-ready feed and it stays on like that (automatically prevents power saving mode, etc) so that you can keep it on for hours feeding to an external source, just like a camcorder. Like they expected you to do this!
Aside from the Waxy Skin Bug that effects the 5100 and 6000 of course, but I'd like to assume they addressed that since they seem to have on the A7 line.
I've used the headphone jack on my Atomos Ninja to check levels coming out of the camera, but since the A5100 doesn't have a mic jack its usually only when I'm shooting with the A7s. However, interesting to note that the Atomos have their own mic input anyway which is super cool- the thing can actually function as a 4-track recorder (stereo from hdmi, stereo from own input) and record all 4 channels synced to the video. I haven't used it like that on a job yet, but it's pretty cool to know I can! Chalk it up as another reason I don't much care if the camera has its own mic jack in this instance.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent, just wanted to make sure y'all understand how this works.
If the A6000 and A5100 and all other current Sony ILCs work like this, no reason to assume the A6300 would be any different.
That's a limitation on all their "photography" style bodies, due to taxes in EU being different on video cameras (video being defined as anything that can record at least 30min at a time).
Very likely. Almost all of the Sony bodies are bad at heat dissipation when recording, and the 4K models are the worst offenders so far. The A7s was the exception to this rule, as it never seems to overheat unless in extreme conditions. I'd guess it was because of the lower resolution combined with large sensor size, so there is less wiring and more room for it to cool. Also, the lower resolution means less processor power involved in the resample, which also kept things cool. The A7S2, however, I've heard can overheat when recording 4K. If that combo runs the risk of overheating, a smaller sensor with more MPs in an even smaller body almost definitely will!
UNLESS...
I hate to bring up the Atomos again, but I really can't recommend these enough if you like Sony cameras. It seems most of the heat comes from the encoding process. If you just feed out to an external recorder, the cameras will not overheat and battery life is greatly extended as well!
If you're not into shooting with a cage and all that, I sometimes mount my A5100 to a $7 flash bracket and attach the Ninja to the coldshoe. Considering a Ninja 2 is under $300 these days, it turns any of these little cameras into a 4:2:2 prores/DNxHD recorder with a headphone jack, and removes all recording and overheat limitations.
Food for thought!
combatentropy
Veteran
So that explains the weird 30-minute ceiling even in 2016. Now I know. I guess I'll have to wait for a real videocamera with similar tech but unlimited record times, and a headphone jack, for four times as much money.
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
Or do what I do- attach an external recorder. Atomos Ninja 2 is $295 brand new these days! Small price to pay compared to a full sized camcorder if that's all you need. Better codec and faster to start editing too.
RGB 4K is 8.8 x 3 or 26.4 MPX. 20 isn't quite there but it's pretty darn good, more than most pro cameras.
Anyway, ~ 2:20 in -
Samuel H
Major Contributor
* 4K at up to 30 fps, internally, on a kind-of-good 8-bit 420 codec (HDMI 8-bit 422)
* 1080p at up to 120 fps, internally, on a kind-of-good 8-bit 420 codec
* 24 Mpix APS-C sensor with full readout and proper downsampling to get that 4K image
* Good AF, even in video mode
* Good DR
* Good stills... for an APS-C sensor
* Nice EVF
* No IBIS
What I have described could be either the a6300 or the NX1. But the a6300 is cheaper, it can take a speedbooster, and the codec is more "pro" and requires no transcode. And the lens selection is a lot wider.
I don't see myself getting an a6300 yet, but it just killed the NX1 for me, and the a7R II unless you're big into stills (or the AF doesn't work as well, which we still have to see).
* 1080p at up to 120 fps, internally, on a kind-of-good 8-bit 420 codec
* 24 Mpix APS-C sensor with full readout and proper downsampling to get that 4K image
* Good AF, even in video mode
* Good DR
* Good stills... for an APS-C sensor
* Nice EVF
* No IBIS
What I have described could be either the a6300 or the NX1. But the a6300 is cheaper, it can take a speedbooster, and the codec is more "pro" and requires no transcode. And the lens selection is a lot wider.
I don't see myself getting an a6300 yet, but it just killed the NX1 for me, and the a7R II unless you're big into stills (or the AF doesn't work as well, which we still have to see).
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The price of this camera might bring me in to buy it. I mean, I'm working full time with the institution's equipment. I do some freelancing once in a while and also personal projects that don't require advanced pro gear and this camera is small enough for travel. A good external recorder (And this is not necessary), a good all-around zoom lens and an external recorder for audio monitoring and I'm set. I won't be recording in 4K anyway but I like having the option.
Alex Roman
Active member
....mmmm.... that's what i call a pleasant surprise! First interesting in-budget Sony camera from my POV. Now, has it be asked and answered yet: multi-aspect ratios for us anamorphic shooters??
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Or get a used FS100, they're currently selling for not much more than what the a6300 will cost you.
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macgregor
Veteran
Samuel, would you be so kind to try to get some sort of measurements on the rolling shutter from this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rv9a1g5iu8 (00.38) please?
Angry Leprechaun
Well-known member
Can't agree more with M. Gilden. This camera with the Atomos Shogun or Pix 5" recorder will make better images than internal 4K, won't have the same overheating issues, give you pro-audio inputs, audio monitoring, focus assist, and Waveforms (I can't stress this enough for S-log), and all for less than an a7s II. Also because it's APS-C it should have less rolling shutter and if you have Canon lenses already and can splurge for the Metabones Ultra, you effectively have a 4K ProRes Full Frame camera while giving your lens an extra couple stops.
Plus I'm really looking forward to the 4D autofocus. I've been looking a lot into the Canon series because of the DPAF, but they're all just so damn expensive for what it's worth. But not having to constantly check and recheck my focus would be fantastic. I'm really curious to see this thing on a gimbal. I have the Canon 24-70L and it's been my workhorse lens for years, but I'm really liking those new G Master lenses. Might have to see how much I can maybe trade in or sell it for.
Plus I'm really looking forward to the 4D autofocus. I've been looking a lot into the Canon series because of the DPAF, but they're all just so damn expensive for what it's worth. But not having to constantly check and recheck my focus would be fantastic. I'm really curious to see this thing on a gimbal. I have the Canon 24-70L and it's been my workhorse lens for years, but I'm really liking those new G Master lenses. Might have to see how much I can maybe trade in or sell it for.