GH2 someone please make a 14mm F1.4 or faster for m4/3

Right. So 43rumors prints a rumor that they heard from rumor site digicam-info, which probably prints the rumor that they heard from "mirrorlessrumors" which reprints what they heard from "m43rumors" which reprints a rumor which is a rumor of a rumor which traces all the way back to some kid living in his parents' basement who says "Olympus will produce a 12mm f/2.0" because that kid in his parents' basement doesn't know how to differentiate between how to express a desire, and how to express a fact...

That link ain't nothin' but a rumor. Wish it was legit info, but it isn't. I'll file that one next to the 12-50 f/2.5-3.3 lens rumor, and the 7-14 OIS lens rumor, and the GH2 global shutter rumor, and the 5D Mark III raw mode rumor.
 
Barry_Green said:
Right. So 43rumors prints a rumor that they heard from rumor site digicam-info, which probably prints the rumor that they heard from "mirrorlessrumors" which reprints what they heard from "m43rumors" which reprints a rumor which is a rumor of a rumor which traces all the way back to some kid living in his parents' basement who says "Olympus will produce a 12mm f/2.0" because that kid in his parents' basement doesn't know how to differentiate between how to express a desire, and how to express a fact...

That link ain't nothin' but a rumor. Wish it was legit info, but it isn't. I'll file that one next to the 12-50 f/2.5-3.3 lens rumor, and the 7-14 OIS lens rumor, and the GH2 global shutter rumor, and the 5D Mark III raw mode rumor.
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Trashing concurrent sites is unnecessary, also childish. Calm down.
 
chon said:
Trashing concurrent sites is unnecessary, also childish. Calm down.
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Not that Barry needs defending, but you stated something as fact when it was only a rumor. My feeling is that the moderators want to keep a certain professional level on this site and rumors, if not stated as such, certainly lower that level and engender confusion.

That being said, his response was a touch, ....heated shall we say. :happy:

But I understand his concerns, which I also share. There is enough misinformation around the Internet and it has no place on this forum. I also enjoy 43 rumors, but understand that it is what it is.
 
Sorry, just tired of rumors being stated as facts.

If you have an actual factual source, I'm sure we would all be very interested in hearing about it, a 12mm f/2.0 does sound quite appealing.

But when the source that's posted is a rumor site, which flat-out acknowledges that the rumor is only (in their opinion) 61% to 80% likely to even come true, yet it's stated as a fact, I find that bothersome. Don't you? I wasted time trying to track down where this 12mm f/2.0 lens was coming from. I wasted time on various rumor sites, which all seem to always credit their source as another rumor site. I even sat through that 7-minute video, waiting for them to say something about a 12mm f/2.0. And never at any point did anything credible emerge about any such lens.

Which brings me back to the point -- Olympus has announced no such product, and until they do, there is no reason to believe there is any such product.
 
Barry_Green said:
Sorry, just tired of rumors being stated as facts.

If you have an actual factual source, I'm sure we would all be very interested in hearing about it, a 12mm f/2.0 does sound quite appealing.

But when the source that's posted is a rumor site, which flat-out acknowledges that the rumor is only (in their opinion) 61% to 80% likely to even come true, yet it's stated as a fact, I find that bothersome. Don't you? I wasted time trying to track down where this 12mm f/2.0 lens was coming from. I wasted time on various rumor sites, which all seem to always credit their source as another rumor site. I even sat through that 7-minute video, waiting for them to say something about a 12mm f/2.0. And never at any point did anything credible emerge about any such lens.

Which brings me back to the point -- Olympus has announced no such product, and until they do, there is no reason to believe there is any such product.
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I can see both sides of the argument, but it was TOTALLY worth mentioning to keep an eye out for. Rumour or not, it's not like sports trade rumors or conspiracy theories, most rumors of lenses do come true, and the ones that don't, are pretty close but have changes made last minute to the product. IE Panny's 14 2.0 pancake is 2.5 instead, 12-75mm is 12-50mm instead, Red Camera is vaporware, la la la la la. Even if it's not confirmed or questionable IMO, I'd still like to know because it will effect purchasing.
 
I can't blame the original poster for stating the Oly 12mm 2.0 was a fact - it MAY VERY WELL BE CONFIRMED. If you read a few articles on that website, they discuss it like it was a fact and not a rumor. Just read the 11mm 1.4 toy lens article.
 
Well, the toy lens isn't a rumor though. It's confirmed by the company and actually offered for sale right now (as in, you can win an auction on ebay to pre-order it, from the manufacturer).

And besides, the toy lenses are kind of bogus anyway -- they're not actually m43 lenses at all, they're c-mount lenses that are repackaged in a box with an attached m43->c-mount adapter. I've got the 26mm/1.4 and it's just a c-mount security camera lens, with a cute colored rubber focus ring added.

You can look at pictures from the 11mm on the seller's ebay site and see that it doesn't even come close to covering the whole frame. It vignettes badly in a full circle.
 
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I can't blame the original poster for stating the Oly 12mm 2.0 was a fact - it MAY VERY WELL BE CONFIRMED.
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Hence why I asked for the source. If the manufacturer (who is, by the way, the only entity on the globe that can actually confirm it) had confirmed it, then it becomes legit. But if the only source is a rumor site which is printing a reprint of a rumor they picked up off another site, surely you can see that that's not confirmed at all.
 
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Really? In my observing of what these various sites print, I can pretty categorically state that I have observed quite the opposite. I could probably name an arms-length list of things they've proclaimed are true or are coming imminently, whether it's the 5D Mark III or the Raw recording module or the 12-75 or the 12-50 or the OIS 7-14 or the global-shutter GH2 or the "AF200" and the large-sensor Canon video camera... on and on and on. There's rarely anything that they tip off that actually comes into being.

Let's take, for example, the 12-50 f/2.5-3.3 lens that "everybody knows" is coming out. Where's the source? What possible information are they basing this on? Has any company official ever, ever, ever said any of the following things: 12mm, 50mm, f/2.5, or f/3.3? Not that I can find. Has anyone ever confirmed that there even *is* a new lens, of *any* type, coming soon? Not that I can find. So where does this information come from? Near as I can tell, there was a slide at a presentation that stated that there were three potential lenses "under consideration" -- and the sum total of all the details given were "25mm f/1.4", "bright zoom", and "bright wide-angle."
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-here-is-the-panasonic-fast-lens-25mm-f1-4/

Now, that's a slide from last September. EIGHT MONTHS AGO. And since then there has not been one word said by any Lumix official about anything, yet the blogosphere has already decreed that the words "under consideration: bright zoom" have translated into "there absolutely positively will be a faster zoom lens, and not only that, we can tell you the exact focal length and aperture of it, it'll be 12-50 with an f/2.5-3.3". Yet there's *zero* basis for this! They didn't even say they were making *any* new lenses. They said they were CONSIDERING making something. And that could mean that maybe they would make one lens, and that particular lens might be a 25/1.4, or it might be a bright zoom, or it might be a bright wide angle. Wouldn't it be comical if after all this, they introduced an 13mm f/1.4? Nobody's even talking about that, yet I would submit that it is equally as plausible as the mythical 12-50/2.5-3.3 that keeps getting repeatedly brought up as "fact". And why haven't people grabbed onto the three little letters at the far right -- "etc"?!?! Heck, that could mean anything! Fire up the rumor mill!

Here's the thing -- there's nothing about these rumor sites that means they can't print the truth. Sure, they can print the truth. But rumor sites also print unsubstantiated rumors of things that have no factual basis whatsoever -- and they do it over and over. Legitimate news sites or news reporters will also print the truth, and they rarely if ever print unsubstantiated rumors. Even Bloom tries hard to never print a rumor, but even he got caught up in the 4K t2i debacle and got burned for having printed it, and he printed it because soooo many people were sooooo sure that it was true...

Frankly you have to ask yourself -- who is more likely to break actual, legitimate news: some one-man-band rumor site? Or a legitimate outlet like a press release from NAB or Photokina? And then, ask yourself -- if you were a major company, and you had a new product to introduce, are you likely to snub the traditional press outlets and instead leak it to some online blogger anonymously? Is that how business is done? In my experience, it isn't. And I think the track record of the rumor sites probably backs me up on this.

Which gets me back to my point -- I don't care whether someone gets their info from a rumor site or a legitimate press outlet or whatever, but I do mind when someone goes repeating and reporting some unconfirmed baseless rumor as if it's fact. If you have a source that is authorized to confirm what you're saying, then please point to it and say "here's my source, an Olympus press release in their pre-PMA press-release kit" or whatever.

But if your source is a rumor site, then you have no source.
 
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Barry just likes to stomp on people's dreams and longings :)

As long as a rumor is not actually debunked, we can dream - and what pleasant dreams those are... wide, fast, cheap, excellent quality lenses for our super cheap cameras that transform our movies into masterpieces which launch great careers full of artistic success, not to mention great financial rewards, and don't forget fame and fans everywhere, beautiful models throwing themselves at us and we pick only the best, just for the night, and then a new one later, then lunch at Spago's and gotta cash that huge check that just got delivered, then a limo picks us up to meet with that A list star that is desperate to work with us as we just got a three picture deal and it's a go on the first project, we're shooting for six months in Italy everything paid for, excellent Italian food, though they do also fly in that special Champagne from Paris, at $3K a bottle... WHAT????!!! THE LENS IS ONLY A RUMOR!!! BARRY HOW COULD YOU!! HOW COULD YOU!! HOW DARE YOU KILL OUR DREAMS!! The unfathomable cruelty... do you also stomp on puppies while you post these devastating statements?!
 
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