Some Pix from Apple Event

So if the price they are saying is $5995, then when it hits the street it should be about $4999.

When is Q'04? Fall? October?
 
Don't count on it. Merchants are going to want close to the the full MSRP from the "early adopters". I'd guess it'll start out near the MSRP and gradually drop a bit.

Zim said:
So if the price they are saying is $5995, then when it hits the street it should be about $4999.

When is Q'04? Fall? October?
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Mediacre said:
Oh, so it's not real 1080 24p ala Cinealta?
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Do you own a DVX100? If you did then you would know that there really are 24 progressive frames laid down on the 60 interlaced recording. Just like we do in the SD mode on an interlaced format, we can do it on an interlaced HD format. It is real 24P and can be extracted to 24 frames on the timeline. So no not like a Cinealta that requires a 24P tape machine and monitors that do 24P and switchers that do 24P, this will work over firewire or in the case of P2 a simple transfer of the file.

Hope that helps,

Jan
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
Do you own a DVX100? If you did then you would know that there really are 24 progressive frames laid down on the 60 interlaced recording. Just like we do in the SD mode on an interlaced format, we can do it on an interlaced HD format. It is real 24P and can be extracted to 24 frames on the timeline. So no not like a Cinealta that requires a 24P tape machine and monitors that do 24P and switchers that do 24P, this will work over firewire or in the case of P2 a simple transfer of the file.

Hope that helps,

Jan
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Jan, if you check a couple of posts above, you will see it was a misunderstanding from my part. I thought you were talking about something else.
Cheers.
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
Do you own a DVX100? If you did then you would know that there really are 24 progressive frames laid down on the 60 interlaced recording. Just like we do in the SD mode on an interlaced format, we can do it on an interlaced HD format. It is real 24P and can be extracted to 24 frames on the timeline. So no not like a Cinealta that requires a 24P tape machine and monitors that do 24P and switchers that do 24P, this will work over firewire or in the case of P2 a simple transfer of the file.

Hope that helps,

Jan
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Jan, but seeing as with P2 there is no capture any more, won't you have to do a pulldown after copying the file off? Or are you expecting NLE's to manage this in realtime on the fly? Not a hassle, just asking as I have no idea.

Aaron
 
Vegas does pulldown removal of standard-def 24p footage on the fly, I don't think it'd be unreasonable for them to do the same for high-def footage (providing, of course, that they decide to support DVCPRO-HD).

There could also be utilities (like DVFilm Maker) to extract the pulldown separately.
 
Hey Barry?

Currently we capture while viewing; 00:60:00 of Tape = 00:60:00 of Capture (Not including In/Out or selective scene captures).

How will P2 do it into Vegas 6? Will it be faster if yoiu want to dump the whole tape in or still be a 00:60:00 of Tape = 00:60:00 of Capture?
 
I don't see Sony supporting Panasonic DVCPRO-HD in Vegas, but you never know. Maybe they will, but it's Sony, so probably not. Sony's stuck up.
 
John_Hudson said:
Hey Barry?

Currently we capture while viewing; 00:60:00 of Tape = 00:60:00 of Capture (Not including In/Out or selective scene captures).

How will P2 do it into Vegas 6? Will it be faster if yoiu want to dump the whole tape in or still be a 00:60:00 of Tape = 00:60:00 of Capture?
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Not sure what you're asking. In P2, it's already captured. It's captured at the time you recorded it. So if you plug the P2 card into your computer, or if you recorded to hard disk and plug that in your computer, it's already on the card as if it was a hard disk. There is no "capture" time, it's already captured. You can edit instantly.

If you're talking about transferring to your hard disk, it'll transfer at however fast your system is, up to 640mbps (which is about 80 megabytes per second, or somewhere around 6x realtime for 100mbps data, and 16x realtime for 720/24p data).
 
Mediacre said:
I don't see Sony supporting Panasonic DVCPRO-HD in Vegas, but you never know. Maybe they will, but it's Sony, so probably not. Sony's stuck up.
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I know what you're saying, and I'm a little worried that might happen, but... it'd be suicide for them to pull politics over compatibility. Both their major competitors already natively support it, and have for months. If they don't... well, in that game of hardball, I think they'll lose.

And that would be really sad, as it's a great editor.
 
I guess PC peeps would just have to use Premiere Pro then....right?

Come'on though....SONY can't be THAT stupid......can they?

~reservoir~
 
Sony really went to the wall to make HDV editing seamless in Vegas 6.0. That makes a lot of sense, since Sony has some HDV cams and HDV is already on the scene. Sony is also pusing Vegas 6 very hard as a *professional* editing system. If Vegas doesn't support HDV, Sony won't be selling any extra HDV cameras, but they will be selling fewer copies of Vegas. My money is on DVCPROHD/50 support to coincide with the Q4 release of the HVX200.
 
Zig_Zigman said:
For 2 2g p2 cards, I get 40 mins of 720/24p and 16 mins of 1080/24p. Is this right?
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No. Two 2-GB cards would give you 10 minutes of 720p24 and 4 minutes of 1080p24. You would need two 8-GB cards for the recording times you specified, and they will cost about $4,000 for a pair when they are introduced.
 
2GB P2 cards won't do HD.

Pana will also be selling this cam with (2) 8GB P2 cards for an extra $2k.
 
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