Some Pix from Apple Event

Barry_Green said:
So you're saying it's "dumb" that they're letting people buy the camera by itself, for $4,000 less?
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No, Barry. I think Aza is saying Panasonic should sell it with 2 P2 cards for 6K. Of course, that's just ridiculous. The next camera which records HD 4:2:2 in 720p cost over 50K for body alone and the next camera to record 1080 24p cost over 100K body only.And Aza wants this camera to cost
6k with P2 cards included? As I said, some people just expect miracles happen.
 
pannyfreak said:
1080p 24 <-- You know how much bandwidth is required for this mode???

I wonder if ALL those modes will be supported by the TAPE, or you'll have to buy a P2 card to do the higher-end stuff, with MiniDV tapes recording just SD resolutions???

What do you all think...
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It's actually less than on tape as it does TRUE 24p w.o the added frames (2:3 insertion)
 
Mediacre said:
No, Barry. I think Aza is saying Panasonic should sell it with 2 P2 cards for 6K. Of course, that's just ridiculous. The next camera which records HD 4:2:2 in 720p cost over 50K for body alone and the next camera to record 1080 24p cost over 100K body only.And Aza wants this camera to cost
6k with P2 cards included? As I said, some people just expect miracles happen.
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Correct Mediacare - sort of. I didn't expect 2 cards, just one. I know that they can't cost Panasonic that much to manufacture and that we pay a premium for them, so why not bundle one as a sweetner. Even if the cam was $6500, with a P2.

Barry, I guess everything is relative. When Panasonic were talking about this, it was "revolutionary" but it's a given that we assume that means "in the price range we're used to talking about". Anyone can make something revolutionary, and charge 50K for it. So, compared to the Z1, HD100 etc, you DON"T get HD at that price point. You have to pay more for it, or GO to a third party HD solution. Now if there is a nice HD solution that plugs into back, nicely, quiet, small like a battery, then WOW, I'd be all for it. But it's not going to be that way. I DID NOT expect this camera to cost me ANYWHERE near $10k for HD.

It's not about comparing to other cameras (Like the varicam), it's about expectation. People want HD now, if they can get it cheaper in a Z1, or HD100 and seem like they're getting almost the same thing then they will do it. I don't think everyone will swat over the specs, 4:2:2 vs 4:2:0 etc. They'll look at the images and go , hmm that's nice for $6k, or Hmm, that's nice for $10K, I'll by the $6K thanks (And get an hour of recording, not 8 minutes)

Now of course, I may eat my words when they arrive later in the year if I have enough cash, but hey, that's what words are for right? ;)

Aaron
 
Man i wish you guys would stop slinging **** at each other.

The price came in at under 10k with a full boat, that's what we expected.
If you can't afford it, get a DVX

OK?
 
Luis Caffesse said:
The first PIc Noah posted has a bunch of bullet points listed.
The last one says:

"FireWire AVC and SBP2"


What does that mean?
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These are two different protocols of how to transfer data over the firewire bus.

I believe AVC is how a current DV camera works, streaming the encoded data in realtime, and SBP2 is datatransfer from the P2 card as a filesystem.
 
Michael_Bott said:
Aza, the logic is:

You'll only need to buy P2 right away if you're dying to jump into the waters. Otherwise you'll have plenty of options to work with at $5,995. That's what I meant when I said the camera has a foot planted in 2005 and one in the far future. You can jump right into the water immediately for a premium or slowly wade in with wallet mostly intact while waiting for P2 card prices to drop. Sweet.
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Makes perfect sense to me.
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if waiting for P2 cards to drop is a strategy - lets say Q4 2006 (when P2 really becomes affordable) HVX200 WILL be outdated (maybe by Sony/Canon). Essentially you are 'prepaying' a system which can be fully used only after an year.

its like buying a rocket fueled car, expecting rocket fuel to become cheaper. But when it becomes cheaper, there will be a perfect car built for it or hydrogen cell becomes THE next efficient fuel.

I am still shocked at the lack of any P2 miracle announcement. The cam price was in line with my expectatation (around 6k). But I was expecting some P2 miracle announcement... "8GB P2 card $999" or "32GB card available in Q405"
 
Anders Holck said:
These are two different protocols of how to transfer data over the firewire bus.

I believe AVC is how a current DV camera works, streaming the encoded data in realtime, and SBP2 is datatransfer from the P2 card as a filesystem.
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That makes sense, thanks Anders
 
SBP2 can also make it possible to connect anormal firewire directly to the camera, if Panasonic has implemented this feature :-)
 
AVC is typically the term used to refer to the H.264 codec (Mpeg 4 part 10). I'm not certain if that's what they're referring to here; but I'd assume that it is. Soon as I find out more, I'll post.

take care all, the HVX200 looks like it's going to be a fantastic camera. I may have to put my VariCam's up for sale!! :)
 
It's my understanding that AVC is the protocol used by decks, etc. for streaming. SBP2 is the protocol used for file transfer. So two computers connected together on a firewire network would talk to each other using SBP2, whereas a camera connected to a deck over firewire would talk to each other using AVC.

By providing both protocols, it seems like they're definitely supporting firewire streaming as well as file transfer. Whether that file transfer will include controlling an off-the-shelf firewire hard disk remains to be seen, but at the bare minimum it seems to be implying that a FireStore-type of device would be a practical reality, even more controllable than today's FireStores (which are limited to AVC).

If I've got any of this wrong, someone please correct it...
 
harlan said:
AVC is typically the term used to refer to the H.264 codec (Mpeg 4 part 10).
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Here it means "Audio Video Control", and is a protocol to control devices with commands like play, rewind, stop etc.
 
Looks like everyone's old grip equipment won't go out-of-date, looks only slightly heavier.
Personally I can't wait. I hope to be in the position to buy one but then there is edit suite/ software upgrades to contend with. What will it cost the average videographer/ filmmaker to get up and running in-house??
J.P.
 
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