C100: Slider recommendations

I haven't used either of those two models, but I have used several other Cinevate sliders and can definitely say they are built like tanks. I have not been the slightest bit disappointed in anything from Cinevate so far. I can't say the Duzi is better than the Rhino, but I can say Cinevate's build quality is fan-freakin-tastic.
 
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I use the Kessler PB Pocket Dolly with my C100 and love it. I use it with the motor from time to time for timelapse but not often.
 
I got a Kessler Stealth Traveler last year (28.5") and really like it. It's relatively lightweight, I think ~6 lb., and still has a tension control plus can lock down at any point along the slider. I use a C300 and it's been fine with that with ball heads or a small fluid head like the Manfrotto MVH500AH. It's also small enough to work well with regular tripod.

This video has a lot of slider moves and having the Stealth really helped kick up the production:


In general I'm doing small promotional documentaries, 1-3 person crew. I have a Kessler 3' Cineslider but since getting the Stealth I'm considering selling the Cineslider. The Stealth has fit in with my style of shooting a lot more and sees a lot of use. Traveling with the Stealth has been fine, too. It can fit in a ThinkTank Logistics Manager diagonally from corner to corner.
 
+1 for the Kessler PB Pocket Dolly in traveler length. I had mainly used the standard length Cineslider before the PB and although the extra length was nice at times, it was too cumbersome to move around when paired with a Hercules head or extra stands for support. The PB in traveler length gives you just enough length and you can mount it to a normal set of sticks, making it much easier to move freely and get more shots. I find that having the friction brake and the hand crank come in handy at times as well.

On a side note, I also think that the PB is a bit smoother than the Cineslider. There's something about the metal on metal connection that the Cineslider carriage rides on that never has felt 100% smooth. It always felt just a little bumpy and it was difficult to get smooth shots with a lens longer than about 70mm without seeing evidence of that bumpiness. I've used 3 different Cinesliders, all with the same results, so I know it wasn't an anomaly. It seems like the PB Pocket Dolly uses a different system altogether for the carriage, and I can feel and see a difference in the shots.
 
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I need to replace my beat up Zaza slider, and since I'm in the process of purchasing a C100, wondering if anyone can share some updates on what's new in the slider space, especially to hold the weight of a C100 (with handle + Ninja + FF + Matte box etc.). Been contemplating either the Rhino bundle (2ft + 4ft rails) or the iFootage Shark Slider S1 (2ft with 2ft extensions). The Shark looks way better than the Rhino and is a little cheaper, but shipping is only from China. My budget is <$800. Am concerned about the weight limit on the S1 (10lbs?). I guess may be ok with just the cam attached but I like to keep the matte box and FF attached most of the time.

Any thoughts?
 
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I like the Cinevate Duzi for my C100, but the length is kinda short at 2 feet. Then again, anything longer and I doubt I'd bring it out on as many shoots.
It's buttery smooth, but no tension control.
 
Looking at some options for mounting my Canon C100 + Atomos Ninja 2 (yes I still use that thing) to a slider that will mount to my Manfrotto 504HD ball head tripod (w/535 carbon fibre legs). This post is a few years old although many of the sliders here are still on the market. Currently I'm looking at the Cinevate Duzi 4 (not sure about this mounting option) or one a little pricier like the Cinevate Hedron - this looks like a solid camera slider.

http://www.cinevate.com/dev/duzi4/

http://www.cinevate.com/store2/hedron-slider-bundle.html#sthash.Lglb6NG9.n2B4ZsgN.dpbs
 
I am looking at this Rhino Ultimate Slider bundle to buy. Look forward to your feedback on how good it is. I want it primarily for timelapse, but also at times just to sneak in a slider movement or two. I do have a MYT 3-in-1 glide slider, however it is for bigger projects and needs one dedicated assistant. In nature and wildlife shoots, it becomes difficult to carry the MYT, and also need a smaller timelapse. So looking at the Rhino. For other docs, commercials and films with dedicated crew the MYT is fine.
 
dustylense said:
The Edlekrone Slider+ (frist version). It's a cool gadget but it just has too many pieces that need to be adjusted to work properly. I found myself tuning the slider more than getting good shots with it. It's made for light package dslrs. And it's actually quite heavy for such a small device. They have updated the slider (only took them a few months to update it which in my mind says they released a product that really wasn't all that well thought out in the first place). .
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I'm currently struggling with mine. I'm committed to it, just because my theory is the slider I have with me is better than the slider I left in the shop. Most of my shoots are via air travel and one-man band. And when I had the Konova I never took it with me because they were too heavy to get under the 50lb limit with my other equipment.

My slider+ isn't really heavy at all so I don't quite get that criticism, less than 4 lbs. Duzi comes in at about 8 lbs. So the Edelkron is easier to make it fit in the weight limits and fit in my bag given it's about half the length. The main design issue with it, though is simple mechanics I believe - cantilevering. Because of the way it works, which ingeniously cuts the length in half, means that at the end of the range the entire weight of the rig is supported only by the connection at the tripod - there is no weight on the opposite side to help. It takes a lot to resist that weight. And with my 9+ lb C300 it can't handle it. So I get this slight vertical arcing where at the end of the range the camera tips down slightly from the weight. I'm currently dealing with Edelkrone to address it, but my recommendation at this point would be if you want to get the Slider Plus then get the Pro version which is rated for higher weights.
 
indiawilds said:
I am looking at this Rhino Ultimate Slider bundle to buy. Look forward to your feedback on how good it is. I want it primarily for timelapse, but also at times just to sneak in a slider movement or two. I do have a MYT 3-in-1 glide slider, however it is for bigger projects and needs one dedicated assistant. In nature and wildlife shoots, it becomes difficult to carry the MYT, and also need a smaller timelapse. So looking at the Rhino. For other docs, commercials and films with dedicated crew the MYT is fine.
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I've got the Rhino Ultimatle slider bundle (minus the Arc which is still on the to-buy list) so if you got any questions I can try and help with them. I own a C100 mk1 for weight related questions :)
 
I'd recommend a used Trost M50 if your looking for a smooth, robust slider (handles hundreds of pounds). I've used Kessler cinesliders in the past but was never happy with the amount of wiggle in the carriage.
Many sliders have poorly designed carriage sections which can introduce undesired movement or jiggle.
 
curlyhairedjew said:
Currently I'm looking at the Cinevate Duzi 4 (not sure about this mounting option) or one a little pricier like the Cinevate Hedron - this looks like a solid camera slider.
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I own both the C100 and the Duzi v4. It's a solid combo. The Duzi can handle up to 120 pounds if I remember correctly. I simply put a 502HD on top of the slider, and I use a bolt with two nuts to attach under the slider. Then I simply sit the slider on the tripod legs (75mm bowl, but without the head on it) so it sits flat on the tripod, and use the handle to secure it. I can post pictures if you'd like.
 
drapeama said:
I own both the C100 and the Duzi v4. It's a solid combo. The Duzi can handle up to 120 pounds if I remember correctly. I simply put a 502HD on top of the slider, and I use a bolt with two nuts to attach under the slider. Then I simply sit the slider on the tripod legs (75mm bowl, but without the head on it) so it sits flat on the tripod, and use the handle to secure it. I can post pictures if you'd like.
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Hi, thanks for the response. Would love some photos if it isn't too much hassle, just so I could get the logistics sorted of how it mounts onto the tripod and then how the camera attaches on top. I don't know pounds too well as an aussie, but do you think it would support the C100/Ninja 2/502/sigma 50-100mm (around 3lb)? Also what length/accessories did you purchase/find useful with the Duzi? Thanks again.
 
crammond said:
I've got the Rhino Ultimatle slider bundle (minus the Arc which is still on the to-buy list) so if you got any questions I can try and help with them. I own a C100 mk1 for weight related questions :)
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I would love to know how it handles the C100. How good are the shots when you are using the 24 inch and the 42 inch? With the 24 inch placed on one tripod, how is the stability? Are you able to carry it easily (especially the 42 inch rails)? For the timelapse shots, I would use the 80D. At times I may also just use the C300. I am planning to order the arc as well. Don't know if someone here is using that.

I am primarily looking at the Rhino ultimate slider bundle for timelapse and also to get a short slider mounted on tripod for very short slides. I have a MYT 3-in-1 glide slider which is 4 feet long and can handle the regular shots. But it can't do timelapse and carrying it to the mountains is a big task.
 
I have the Rhino motorized setup with the Arc. I have three tracks for it; 2 ft (carbon fiber and steel) and 4 ft track (steel). I like it.

Stability with the steel one is good; more so depends on the stability of your tripod setup. I don't use the carbon fiber setup as much, but I think it'd be fine, particularity with a C100.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md3oL5vjAJc



I also have a Cinevate Duzi (v.1 or v.2) and an Edelkrone slider (for traveling). I used to have a Kessler Stealth but sold it. The Cinevate Duzi is light weight (apparently the newer version is much heavier), so it stays in my big camera bag all the time. The Rhino sliders are in separate bags, so I only bring them on bigger shoots since they are smoother (with the flywheel) or when I need the motorized option. The Edelkrone I use if I'm flying somewhere since it can easily fit in my carry-on.
 
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