shooting my first wedding,on my hmc150 /thinking 720p30- what do u think

if you plan on slowmo, go 720_60p.

otherwise, shoot 1080_30p. i don't know what your edits look like, but i've found it very useful shooting 1080 HD for delivery in 480 SD. it allows me to reframe or zoom in on those long shots of the ceremony, giving me alternate 'shots' or angles to intercut the otherwise boringly long documentary-style coverage when i'm trying to create a shorter highlight reel. it also gives you a bit better color and lowlight sensitivity.

as for memory, i've been fine with 2 x 16gb cards, and usually fill both up to about 80%. i always have another 8gb card in the bag in case i need to shoot more, but haven't had to use it yet. and i'm shooting mostly documentary style where i have to capture the main events in their entirety, and then i fill up the cards with lots of broll to use in the short and sweet highlight reel.
 
Well, following all the positive vibes about shooting progressive I did the last 10 weddings in 720/50p but am going back to 1080i. What I didn't find out until I'd shot several weddings was a couple of snags. First I found that DVD MovieFactory didn't do progressive so had to spend a lot of money buying Encore just to burn progreesive BluRays. Second my Sony vcr didn't do progressive so I can't archive my projects to tape anymore and have to burn data BluRays instead (don't fancy hard drives long term).

So yes nice creamy slomos but for me not a big deal, otherwise the footage looks great in either format. Just my view.
 
the reply for did u shoot 1080-24 or 720-24 for was the guy who shots in 24ps..and for everyone else thanks so much for al the help...the shoot went great , i did not over shoot and used the 16 gig and both 4 gig cards up..and the 2 batteries lasted just enough, althought 2 extended panasonic batteries would be the best choice and i think about 8-8 gig cards would be the best also, just so not all the fotage is on one card and maybe i could shoot each section on a different card ie: pre-ceremony---ceremony--reception-candid interviews.........maybe next time, now i gotta edit this stuf, sold my wifes macbook and gave her my macbook pro and now i gotta buy a mac pro.......anyone have any preference, my price range is only suited for a 4 core system of curse i would love a 8 core system but not this year........so on the 4 core systems what shuld i stay away from........a single 4 core system or a dual 4 core system.....like a 2.66 quad core intel xenon?...and do ya like the xenon processors or the older intel processors? thanks again for everyone ones help, man i just love freindly people, it just makes things so much more fing easy!
 
KnoxHotch said:
Final Output to SD DVD, ability to get 50% slo-mo, and less video look.

It all depends on your workflow.
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Just wondering, if I plan to make a SD DVD with my HMC150, how do you suggest my workflow should be? For instance, I am only interested in knowing when I should convert the footage to SD from HD. eg should I convert to SD and then edit that on my system?

Your advice would be appreciated.
 
if you know that your only output is SD, then i would create an SD project, keep the footage in HD while editing (transcoded of course), and then render your project to dvd.

basically, keep the clips in HD for as long as possible. this will retain quality while also allowing you to reposition and adjust the large HD clips within the smaller window frame of the SD project.

conversely, if you have a small hdd or slow cpu, you'll want to downconvert your raw clips to SD, but then i'm not sure why you bought the hmc150. the only way to take advantage of the glory of HD for an SD project is by the first method i mentioned.

pretty much everybody shoots and edits at a higher quality than what they deliver (render), because you inevitably lose some quality during post-production one way or another.
 
I edit the project in AVCHD and then output a SD DVD when I am completely finished. Even if the client is not getting a Blu Ray copy right now, I would rather have the whole thing edited in AVCHD so then when the client does want Blu Ray I do not have to Re edit anything...

I am not sure what program you edit with but I edit with Premiere and follow the tutorial below to output my SD DVD from 720p60. It takes some time but the final result is Awesome...

http://bellunevideo.com/tutorials/CS4_HD2SD/CS4_HD2SD.html

Phil
 
I'll try the two methods above to convert from HD to SD - thanks Averan and Phil B.

Two questions:

(1) Averan - I don't understand what you mean by "transcoded of course". If I place the AVCHD video on an SD timeline, all the clips have a red line above them. Do you ignore this and edit the HD footage, and only render once the project is finished? I see the advantage of this method in that I can reposition and resize the HD to most appropriately fit the SD dimensions. Very powerful. Do you have a view on Phil B's method above?

(2) Phil B - I watched the video tutorial. It's great. I honestly don't understand why it is necessary to convert twice from 720p60 to DVD, but I will follow the instructions. I like the idea of editing in AVCHD and not having any rendering lines. Can you resize and reposition the video to fit better with SD or is this something I should do during the original filming?

(3) Slow motion - If I film in 720p50 (I'm in Australia) and I create a sequence in Premiere Pro as 720p25 and then drop the footage there, once again I get red lines and have to render. If I am filming a wedding what do you suggest I do? eg Do I drop my footage onto the 720p25 timeline and render it all? If I do, any changes I make will force me to render the entire project again... or do I just ignore the temptation to render? I can see the good slow motion by right-clicking the footage and selecting speed change to, say, 50% - but I am wondering if for all the rest of the footage I have to constantly render it.

All your help is appreciated.

Cheers.
 
davdav said:
(2) Phil B - I watched the video tutorial. It's great. I honestly don't understand why it is necessary to convert twice from 720p60 to DVD, but I will follow the instructions. I like the idea of editing in AVCHD and not having any rendering lines. Can you resize and reposition the video to fit better with SD or is this something I should do during the original filming?
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Technical reasons I really do not know. I will shoot a PM to him on the Premiere forum and ask and I will let you know. The only things that I know for sure is that it does take some time to do, BUT the end result is a VERY GOOD dvd.


(3) Slow motion - If I film in 720p50 (I'm in Australia) and I create a sequence in Premiere Pro as 720p25 and then drop the footage there, once again I get red lines and have to render. If I am filming a wedding what do you suggest I do? eg Do I drop my footage onto the 720p25 timeline and render it all? If I do, any changes I make will force me to render the entire project again... or do I just ignore the temptation to render? I can see the good slow motion by right-clicking the footage and selecting speed change to, say, 50% - but I am wondering if for all the rest of the footage I have to constantly render it.

Cheers.
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I personally set up my times for 720p60 (50 in your case) and then for the clips that I want to slow mo I Right Click on in the project panel, go to Interpret Footage, click on Assume This Frame Rate, and then change it to 30 (25 in your case). Then I double click on it to open it in my Source Monitor and set my In and Out point and put it in the timeline. It will still need to be rendered but it looks great.


Have fun...

Phil
 
I got a response from Jeff (who did the tutorial) and it is posted below.

The reason it has to be exported twice is because there's a bug in the way that CS4 handles the scaling and interlacing during the same export. So the double export is nothing more than a workaround.

I've logged this as a bug with Adobe, so let's hope they decide to fix it sooner rather than later
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Phil
 
Phil B said:
I personally set up my times for 720p60 (50 in your case) and then for the clips that I want to slow mo I Right Click on in the project panel, go to Interpret Footage, click on Assume This Frame Rate, and then change it to 30 (25 in your case). Then I double click on it to open it in my Source Monitor and set my In and Out point and put it in the timeline. It will still need to be rendered but it looks great.


Have fun...

Phil
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Phil thanks a million!
 
Phil B said:
I too shoot my weddings in 720/60p. I like the look and as others have said it is great for slo-mo. At a typical jewish wedding we use 3 x 16gb cards, that is with 2 cameras at the service and one at the reception. For the typical Catholic wedding usually 4 x 16gb cards. Then add another card in there if we let one role while the venu is flipping the room from the wed to the reception.

See if anyone else in your area has any cards that you can rent/borrow. We just lent one last week to someone in our local video association because she thought that she could go to Best Buy or someplace to get the cards.

Why change from 60p to 30p? Blu Ray supports 60p, so me personally that is what I burn when I am finished with the editing...

I guess another option as someone else pointed out is to take a laptop with you and dump the 16gb card off and use the 4gb in the meantime. Personally though I like to have it in two spots. When I shoot a wedding with one, after I am done with the card I dump it onto a laptop, but I leave it on the card. If I am going to need that card then I also put it onto a external HDD.

Phil
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I also will be doing my first wedding next weekend. It's for a close friend who didn't plan on having a videographer so no pressure...kinda sorta...lol.

Hear is the problem, I just bought a HMC 150 and like the original person who started this thread, I to am lost 24p, 30p, 60p WHAT? I would like to have slow motion shots and I hear ppl say "shoot in 60p". But does shooting in 60p slow everything down? I just want to have safe settings so I can slow down. Also, lighting...what settings??? I would have started a new thread, but I don't know how. I'm also new to this website? Thanks in advance.
 
No, shooting in 60P doesn't slow everything down. Only if you want to slow it down in your NLE later, it will look better.
 
If you want slo mo, then shoot 720p60. If you set the sequence to be 720p60 then it won't be slo motion automatically. You will be able to slow down clips as you wish and they will be smoother than they would be if they had been shot in 30p or 24p.
 
Yeah, as others have said. Just shoot it in 60p. That way if/when you want to slow things down if you go to 50% speed you will still have a full 30 frames per second, and the slo mo will look super smooth. You can even go slower if you want and still get good looking slo motion. The less frames per second that you have to start with the more jerky and studdery (is that a word?) the video will look as you slow it down.

If you have lots of light try bumping up the shutter speed as well, espically if you know you are going to slow it down.

Good luck with the wedding. I know how those No Pressure wedding go. You still want it to look as good as possible.

Let us know how it turns out...

Phil
 
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