I dont know the actual names of what they will end up being called, but I have seen the code names for both new cameras. Other than that I can't say more. Both will be announced at IBC
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I dont know the actual names of what they will end up being called, but I have seen the code names for both new cameras. Other than that I can't say more. Both will be announced at IBC
If they go for "only" an 8.8 MPX sensor on C500II/C700, then they'll definitely be looking for a better low light performance and a slightly lower resolution than the Red cameras.
Naturally, once the new Sony Cine Alta line is announced, Canon will have helluva time trying to catch up again.
Naturally, once the new Sony Cine Alta line is announced, Canon will have helluva time trying to catch up again.
I don't know about anybody else, but I was more answering the question of what Canon would have to do to make a camera people would be excited about, not so much what they'll actually do. Their track record with video does lead to the conclusion that it'll be pretty conservative technologically. I don't think the Canon name means as much in that higher end...
Canon is good with getting things to work out of the box without too many firmware updates. Sony on the other hand releases half assed cameras and then it takes 2 years to bring them up to advertised spec - case in point - the FS7.
I don;t know much about the new cameras, apart from the fact that one is their first shoulder camera that is what 90% of C300 users have been banging on about over the last 5 years - give us a proper form factor and viewfinder. In december you'll have it. But prepare to sell your kidney or kid.
To answer your quesiton - USP - biggest - Ergonomics. I (predict) as in I don't know frame rates for sure - it will have high frame rates in 4K , higher than 60 and shot on CFast 2.0 cards. PL mount and option for Raw internally. Frankly, I don't think they will go for a 6K delivery (def Super 35 sensor though) - make no mistake about it - the sensor is probably brand new and more than 6K - for a True 4k downsample.
Run&Gun
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With the exception of the CN-E primes, which are only available in EF mount unless you have Dulcos mod them, most of the people I know with Canon Cine zooms(17-120, 50-1000, 30-300, etc.) own them in PL mount and use them on Amira's, Alexa's and F55/5's.
brettsherman
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Which is sort of bizarre for a camera that seems to be targeted to the Alexa market. With Alexa shoots there is not shortage of equipment sitting around, so the extra burden of rigging a C700 that isn't shoulder mounted would be minimal. And when they are shot handheld it's really for the "look" and not out of necessity.
But then the run & gun and documentary market that actually needs a shoulder-mounted camera doesn't have it. Of course Canon's problem has always been, they don't really know their market. But fortunately for them they make great cameras which find their niche.
Eric Coughlin
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Genearlly the best rigging options for a non-shoulder mounted camera are still not as good as a camera actually designed for shoulder use. I have a full Zacuto rig for my C300 Mark II, yet the ergonomics of the Amira or a broadcast camera on the shoulder are still much better for shoulder use.
bill totolo
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The lack of a field swappable mount is really holding them back.
We need the option to go between EF and PL without sending the camera to the service center.
We need the option to go between EF and PL without sending the camera to the service center.
bill totolo
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Yeah, but the Amira really needs to go on a diet.
Run&Gun
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I think all manufacturers need to realize this and go this route. That is one of the great things about my F55, with a ~1/4 turn of the mounting ring I can go from PL to EF in a matter of seconds. If Sony can do it, they're all capable of doing it.
Mitch Gross
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The VariCam LT also has a swappable mount that is elegant and sturdy.
deltoidjohn
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Perhaps you missed the sarcasm in my comment?
The only people who seem to have missed this point over the years are Canon themselves, who've constantly delivered over-priced cameras in comparison to the competition, thinking that - like photography cameras - people would stick with them religiously once they had invested enough in glass.
In fact, Canon photo lenses probably work better on other cameras than they do on their own Cinema line, given that speedboosters are not available for the native mount, and Canon's best lenses (short of their cinema zooms) are all designed for a FF field of view.
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David W. Jones
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This has held me back from purchasing a number of different cameras. Why don't they get it? Are the decision makers stuck in 1977?
Canon is also in the business of selling glass and its EF mount is sufficient for most uses. As a company, it has actually concentrated on constantly improving its ecosystem. If you head over to Canon Rumors, you'll see how the denizens of the site vociferously defend the brand. And that's where the bulk of the market is anyway. It's in the sub-$2,000 ILC's, not in $30,000 high end pro cameras. Furthermore, with the price of the electronics falling rapidly to the commodity level, lenses are becoming pretty much the only real source of income for these major Japanese photo-video manufacturers. One can already shoot a feature film quality footage with a sub-$10,000 camera. Within a year, these cameras will be in the sub-$5,000 category and not many people with the sub-$5,000 cameras will be able to afford the high end PL glass anyway.
Run&Gun
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But it still requires a screwdriver and screws, correct? I applaud them for making a user swappable mount, I told them they needed that for the V35 two NAB's ago, but I think they should all be in the "Sony style" like the 5/55. No one likes dealing with screws in the field. I have the HDx35 adapter and use it on my C300 and F55. As you know, to swap from PL to EF(or PL to any of the other UMS mounts), you have to remove the inner portion of the PL mount on the adapter, then you just twist the EF on. Yeah it's only four little screws, but it's a pain. I'm contemplating buying the FZ adapter for $650 just so I don't have to deal with removing/attaching the Inner portion of the PL mount with screws anymore when I go between the cameras with it. It's one of those things that seems small and trivial, but makes a big difference, especially in the field.
Mitch Gross
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Actually, I'm trying to recall, but I don't think you do need a screwdriver on the VariCam LT. I only had to do the swap once, and it was during prep for NAB this year. Had to figure it out in a hurry on the Convention Center floor. It does require you to have a hex key, but that's just to stick in a socket to then act as a lever to rotate and remove/attach the thing. It's a solid, clever design and racking my brain now but I don't believe I had to remove any little screws.
Mitch Gross
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I have news for you: Canon is not "also" in the business of selling glass, its business is primarily selling glass (and printers). Canon sells about 1 million EF lenses every month.
One. Million. Every. Month.
Would it like to up the camera sales too? Sure. But the profit rate on cameras v. the profit rate on optics is very different, especially with Canon's economy of scale and and vertical integration of manufacture.
Run&Gun
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If it is a quick release that doesn't require any type of screw removal, then I'll give them a second round of applause. I haven't had my hands on one yet and it's hard to judge by the pictures. Thanks for the info.
Right. They were primarily in the glass selling business with their film cameras but made a substantial amount during the introduction and the subsequent wide acceptance of the digital cameras. Nowadays, both the margins and the total unit sales are down, so it's pretty much back to being in the lens biz.
And printers.
And medical.