RED T1.9 Prime Lens Set

[Muttondraw]

Hey. Tonacidigital... Snap!

 

[nycfilmmaker]

I'm referring to the lens not the camera so don't put words where their not found. comparisons were made in regards to cookes and ziess' in other threads as well. A DINOSAUR is a company that is huge and is not progressing or innovating -- that is definitely not Cooke or Ziess.

Companies that focus on one product like a tripod or lense or sensors etc. are MOST LIKELY to make superior products than a company that makes 10 brand extensions, if investment and R&D are in place.

Best tripods are made by companies that specialize in them, best lenses the same, best cars the same, best audio-phile products the same etc. the more resources a company has to focuus on a product rather than a multitude of products the better, statistically and historically, that product will be. You know this come on now.

I support the Red camera but just wanted to throw my opinion since not many like to go against the grain even if they have concerns or doubts.

 

[Muttondraw]

comparisons were made in regards to cookes and ziess' in other threads as well.

As well a where? I can't see any here. I can't recall seeing any in other threads. If you could supply a link it might be helpful.

Best tripods are made by companies that specialize in them, best lenses the same, best cars the same, best audio-phile products the same etc. the more resources a company has to focuus on a product rather than a multitude of products the better, statistically and historically, that product will be. You know this come on now.

I understand your argument, this is often the case, but there are equally many example of successful companies with more than one product line, so it isn't a forgone conclusion. But I come back to having a problem with with understanding exactly which posts you have an issue with.

I support the Red camera but just wanted to throw my opinion since not many like to go against the grain even if they have concerns or doubts.

I see many doubts expressed in many threads, I really cannot see why you have an axe to grind.

I do think you have a writing style which comes across a bit aggressively, this may well not be your intention but it comes across like that. If you feel slightly alienated it may be because people just feel you are trying to attack them.

Martin

 

[TimurCivan]

unless ur working back to back on project to project as a dp or camera operator.. why spend that much money on a set of lenses? renting sounds alot more reasonable to me.. at least when it comes to a production that requires so many lenses.. im not saying dont have any lenses at all... but zeiss... cooke.. arri? used maybe (as long as they dont have any fungus or scratches) but seriously.. NIKON makes some nice glass for not so much money.

its not the same class of lens. the reason they are expensive is that aside from being the same stable Tstop, they are color matched, and respond within very similar tolerances to each other. plus tehy are often made with gears built in, two sets of distance markers, so the AC can see them from bothsides. These are things that Nikon wont put into an SLR lens.

 

[Rory Hinds]

I'm not looking to buy the best lenses in the world. Cooke's reputations is just way too expensive for my level of work.

Their are very few options when it comes to PL Mount Cinema Lenses. I'm so tied of using Still Photographic lenses and am anxious to have lenses to work with when the camera arrives.

If RED Primes are said to be 90% the quality of Cooke or Zeiss, that will do me for now. Having a lenses that is meant for Cinema is the important thing for me.

There are 3 options on the camera:
1) PL Mount
2) B4
3) Still Lenses - Nikon & Canon

When the camera ships we know for sure that it will have a PL Mount on the camera. I want to be ready to shoot.

Affordable Cinema lenses are needed it times of the revolution!

 

[TimurCivan]

cooke and zeiss have been around for decades. they specialze in optics not making cameras not making radios -- just optics. Millions of dollars and years upon years of engineering have gone into those optics. how could anyone say that red lenses will be better or even comparable than ziess or cookes? that's insanity. love the Red camera though.

One word. Yamaha. They make everything.... and they make every thing well.

 

[nycfilmmaker]

all is good. don't feel alienated never have. Yeah, my writing style is pretty direct, no agressive intention made, just honest opinions eh.

 

[tonacidigital]

comparisons were made in regards to cookes and ziess' in other threads as well.

No one on these boards have ever implied that RED will be better than Cooke as you have stated here:

how could anyone say that red lenses will be better or even comparable than ziess or cookes? that's insanity.

A DINOSAUR is a company that is huge and is not progressing or innovating -- that is definitely not Cooke or Ziess.

To clarify..my reference to dinosaur was meant to imply how long they have been around. Sorry for not being clear.

Companies that focus on one product like a tripod or lense or sensors etc. are MOST LIKELY to make superior products than a company that makes 10 brand extensions, if investment and R&D are in place.

As this same line of reasoning applies to RED lenses...your thesis is "since Zeiss and Cooke only focus on optics, there is no way RED could ever make any lenses comparable to Zeiss or Cooke. "

Time will tell if your thesis is correct.

I support the Red camera but just wanted to throw my opinion since not many like to go against the grain even if they have concerns or doubts.

My initial response to your post was meant to point out the fact that many believed, or still believe, that the RED project is impossible.

It is interesting that your post solidifies the same skepticism towards RED's future line of lenses.

tonacidigital. red hype machine.

 

[TimurCivan]

I'm not looking to buy the best lenses in the world. Cooke's reputations is just way too expensive for my level of work.

Their are very few options when it comes to PL Mount Cinema Lenses. I'm so tied of using Still Photographic lenses and am anxious to have lenses to work with when the camera arrives.

If RED Primes are said to be 90% the quality of Cooke or Zeiss, that will do me for now. Having a lenses that is meant for Cinema is the important thing for me.

There are 3 options on the camera:
1) PL Mount
2) B4
3) Still Lenses - Nikon & Canon

When the camera ships we know for sure that it will have a PL Mount on the camera. I want to be ready to shoot.

Affordable Cinema lenses are needed it times of the revolution!

yea but this is what i dont understand man,

Why are you buying a RED, if you cant neccesarily afford its peripheral equiptment. Whats the use of ahving a 4K camera if youre not gonna buy glass that will support it? i mean the camera costs 17k, but htats probably only about 1/3 of the neccesary costs to make it run efficiently. lenses, Editing, stroage, Software that will operate on 4k...

i mean C;mon, dont scrimp on the LENSES!!!!!!!!

 

[Rory Hinds]

When did I say I was scrimping on the lenses?

I want PL Mount Cine Lenses, I just don't want to pay for overpriced Cookes and Zeiss or buy inflated used lenses which devalue as soon as RED bring out their set.

I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat.

Spending a $100k on a set of Cooke or Zeiss isn't an option for me.

What lense options are you going to go with?

 

[Homersapien]

You could always invest in a typical workhorse Prime and then rent the other ones on a need for need basis. Obviously this means you are gonna have to plan alot in advance but this is something you can tie into your or your productions shooting script.

 

[Rory Hinds]

I'd much prefer to own a old set of Zeiss than have to comprimise with have one expensive new lens.

But hey thats just me

I do think that the Cinema market is growing like mad and its just a matter of time before new makers of PL Mount Cine lenses hit the market or Cooke & Zeiss have a more affordable range.

 

[macgregor]

The problem here is a big problem. For 35mm digital cinematography we have the option of the ultra expensive cooke and arri zeiss and... and.... and absolutely nothing else. And that is the problem.

The markets usually have 3 or 4 steps in quality. Think about car market. You have chevrolet and you have Aston martin. In cinema lenses, there is only one option: the best. Ferrari. And many people cannot afford that.

 

[obin]

who needs 1.3 when we have a super 35mm sensor!?

 

[donatello]

RED has stated in the past that at some point they will post something ( still or clip ?) that used cooke, zeiss, nikon/canon ..
i fully expect the nikor to come in last however i don't think it will be night/day difference and i think the nikor will stand right next to other images and you'll have to look very, very close to see differences other then one is warmer or cooler ...

for those that would like to see a little test ..
this is Scott Billups test of canon XL H1 w/standard 20x zoom , Xl H1 with P&S adaptor w/cooke, sony F900 with canon zoom, & Viper is in a test vs H1 .. this was NOT a lens test .. the test was more for H1 recording out 4:2:2 vs the other camera's ... look at the photo's .. http://www.cinematography.net/hdcamtests/pixelmonger.htm

 

[Homersapien]

I think it's high time someone here at DVX user started ripping the guts out of their Nikkor lenses and explaining to everyone how they can do a DIY conversion to cine lenses for us all to copy, can't be much more than a couple of pieces of sticky-back-plastic and old washing up liquid bottle after all

I'd certainly pay good money for the information and parts of how to do it. Don't get me wrong I jest for sure but still I'd be happy to take a $100 lense and at least attempt to convert it if I had the know how and the parts - The parts being the worrying point, it'd probably cost just as much to buy these as a 2nd hand cine lense!

 

[macgregor]

I think that with a very nice glass lense, and a x0.5 factor ring focus puller you can get the same feeling as with a cine lense.

 

[Stephen Williams]

I think it's high time someone here at DVX user started ripping the guts out of their Nikkor lenses and explaining to everyone how they can do a DIY conversion to cine lenses for us all to copy, can't be much more than a couple of pieces of sticky-back-plastic and old washing up liquid bottle after all

!

Hi,

This sort of thing was done by Fries Engineering in the 1980's for Mitchell cameras for use on Motion Control rig. Its their AF35R conversion, I actually used one yesterday!

What they did is cut the front of the camera off, put the lens mount on rails and focus by moving the lens. You only need 1 set of mechanics for all your Nikon lenses. Probably will make the camera a bit heavy to hand hold!

Stephen

 

[Lowkus]

who needs 1.3 when we have a super 35mm sensor!?

People shooting indoors.

 

[Lowkus]

I think it's high time someone here at DVX user started ripping the guts out of their Nikkor lenses and explaining to everyone how they can do a DIY conversion to cine lenses for us all to copy, can't be much more than a couple of pieces of sticky-back-plastic and old washing up liquid bottle after all

I'd certainly pay good money for the information and parts of how to do it. Don't get me wrong I jest for sure but still I'd be happy to take a $100 lense and at least attempt to convert it if I had the know how and the parts - The parts being the worrying point, it'd probably cost just as much to buy these as a 2nd hand cine lense!

I was going to look into converting SLR lenses, especially Canon Auto lenses since I already have a bunch of them and they won't be supported by Red. The only problem is that I'm short a machine shop, and I can't tear a lens apart and add cinema features without machining a whole new housing for it to go into. The milling machines cost money (and space), the metal costs money, the work takes time (thus money), and the research costs in both time and money. If you add it all up I'd be suprised if it wouldn't add $2000 on top of the original lens price. But still... it'll be cheaper to go that route then to buy a cinelens. So away I go to continue researching my options.