I'm pretty sure Scarlet will still be 3k.
Red Scarlet Announcement Info
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bruceallen
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Light field stuff requires an insane amount of pixels. Luckily Red is making that crazy 28K sensor though...
But yeah, chance of a free software update adding light field tech is zero - maybe Epic sensor has just enough pixels for a light field with 1080p resolution... but I really think you just need a massively-high-resolution sensor to start with.
Bruce Allen
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What price are you betting on, Barry? I can't really afford more than 6-7k, do you think this is realistic for a 4K 2/3 Scarlet?
I have to say that many of the movies I know shot on a 2/3 camera - ZODIAC, BUTTON, STAR WARS, VICE, etc., certainly had a videoish look to me, although I really loved the first two.
Barry, do you think a 2/3 Scarlet for wides and mediums coupled with a gh2 for shallow DOF CUs would be a good combination? Or would the 4k just overpower the gh2?
Look forward to your reply,
Thanks
LiamR
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For just the brain yes, that is where RED is brilliant at sucking the money out of your wallet, "Our scarlet is competitive, it's only 6-7k" then you have to buy all the components just make the thing work.
Up to this point, the projected prices for the Scarlet fixed have generally been for a basic kit, not just the brain.
Two days to go. In a meantime I have a contest for you; who can read this thread without puking: http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?65569-Jannard
Prepare yourself for 10000 pages of this:
Bow to our lord and savior.
Btw, Jim made thread where only read:
I replied "Wasn't RED the one who reacted to Canon's november 3rd announcement? Just saying..." and my post dissappeared 30 seconds later. Is that the "RED magic" people are talking about on the forum?
Prepare yourself for 10000 pages of this:
Bow to our lord and savior.
Btw, Jim made thread where only read:
I replied "Wasn't RED the one who reacted to Canon's november 3rd announcement? Just saying..." and my post dissappeared 30 seconds later. Is that the "RED magic" people are talking about on the forum?
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hahaha, classic and very apt. I wonder if you are now on the fabled "sh*t list"
Wasn't it only last week that they jumped on the coat tails of lytos too?
wow. i'm on page 7. its just a camera guys. this really could discourage ppl. if they're spending pages like that talking bout humble it better start showing. I have NEVER got the impression of humility from a company like red. Cheers all. Here's to the 3rd of november.
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Luis Caffesse
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Talk about the cameras all you want - but let's not start dragging in dirt, drama or politics from other boards.
Thanks.
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ripupthehwy
Well-known member
Does it really matter what Red announces this week? I mean it IS subject to change..again. how can u believe anything they say until it actually ships.
heavyG
Underwater Giraffe Member
This is the big "when' question that's in the forefront of my brain. Two (possible) camera announcements this week, that's great - but when will they ship? I have a project coming up where the client is asking for the Sony F3, so in the next 2 weeks or so I'll be buying one so I can play and figure it out before we start shooting in February (multi week shoot makes more sense to buy than rent - I've run the numbers, it's what I do).
If shipping is by years end, and either of these cameras offer more at a similar price point - I'll have to wrestle with all the maybe's and what if's. Will it ship in time, what if it is delayed -RED I'm looking at you -
If shipping is indeterminate or mid 2012 then I'll buy the F3, work it like a dog and play wait and see.
In the end how many people waiting for the announcement really need these cameras anyway?
Yes. "problem with Lytro is that it doesn't have enough resolution. We have the answer" or something like that. Then one guy replied how he has been looking for Lytro's for long time and had few units on list, but after RED's comment he will wait for RED product. I mean, dude is looking to buy something for a lon time and then when it's released doens't buy it because RED might release something like that in 2020.
Dangling a carrot is RED's no1 marketing ploy.
The amount of people who I know that are still sat on their money, waiting for Scarlet, even after 3 years, is amazing. During that time, I have owed and shot on 5DII, 7D and GH2.... learned so much about filming technique..... I've probably lost a maximum of $500 reselling the first two.
The amount of people who I know that are still sat on their money, waiting for Scarlet, even after 3 years, is amazing. During that time, I have owed and shot on 5DII, 7D and GH2.... learned so much about filming technique..... I've probably lost a maximum of $500 reselling the first two.
True. I mean, I've seen at least 100 better videos shot with DLSR's on here and cinema5d than any EPIC video on reduser. It's so funny how many of those videos shot with EPIC for example have like few hundred views on youtube and then there's like 10 comments saying how awesome the video is (all posted by other RED shooters). It's like they have to call everything shot with RED awesome and can't say a bad thing about any video.
Few examples:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?65355-The-Red-Undead (you laugh you lose [in the end at least])
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?65450-Took-my-new-Epic-for-a-walk-in-the-forest (listen to the lyrics @ 0:20: "when you get what you want but not what you need...")
Comment made for the latter:
Does this guy live under a rock or where has he been since 5D MKII was released? That video looks exactly like first 5D "test" videos, only not as good.
Don't get me wrong, in right hands EPIC or RED One produces very nice footage that is above anything you can shoot with DSLR's.
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back to the announcement speculation... there must be some new features on the Scarlet. they can't just raise the price because "Scarlet is now professional camera".
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roxics
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People will always champion the cameras they own or want. Just another day on the internet.
Danielvilliers
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This shows how much the technology is only a little part of image making. Many think that just buying the gear would make their work better. I have seen even poorer shots.
It's always been billed as a professional camera. About a year ago, Jim Jannard reiterated the point to quell complaints about repeated price hikes, as in "professional gear costs more." Which is actually kind of silly. Even at $3K Scarlet was a professional, robust design. Considering the specs announced in 2008, with the exception of modularity (of dubious value at this price point) and HDRx, it hasn't changed as much as some may believe. I suppose it did lose a CF slot and HD-SDI in the base package. On the other hand, Epic-X's price has risen relatively modestly despite a number of improvements, and it didn't get nearly the fanfare on its release that Scarlet's been getting. I don't mean to denigrate Red's achievement -- it is pretty amazing. But it's naive to believe people will forget three years of hype and discard all of their expectations. Considering Jim Jannard's recent cryptic comments about change, maybe there will be some real surprises.
starcentral
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I have a few comments to all this;
-I will never have an interest in 2/3 if HD, 3k or 4k.
-Jim likes his bread crumbs that's for sure.
-I forked it out for an F3 and never looking back.
-I will never have an interest in 2/3 if HD, 3k or 4k.
-Jim likes his bread crumbs that's for sure.
-I forked it out for an F3 and never looking back.
I haven't seen any reason yet to jump ship from my 5D2 and GH2 although the image on the F3 is quite nice. Red is very good at marketing and I hope the people spending that kind of dough have a business plan in place to recoup those funds. The only camera I'm pining for is the 5D3 but I have a feeling that Canon will not take a big step foward in terms of the video capability. The 5D2 is very close to being a perfect for me. I don't need 4k or 5k but if they can get rid of the alaising and moire, it would be huge.