Red lenses

D_and_G said:
Oh, I just did a casual search for similar lenses. Obviously, it isn't because I thought it was a zoom.
:( ... Telephoto, that's an odd choice.

Out of curiousity what solution would you lean towards ?


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There are many economical still camera alternatives to modify for RED fixed focal length lenses including Canon, Nikkor, Leitz, and the new Zeiss lenses. There are also some short (but quite slow) zooms made by these companies that could be modfied quite inexpensively. Century Precision Optics has several. But wide angle zooms with, say, 5-1 or greater zoom range are much more difficult. The big three zoom manufacturers are Cooke, Angenieux and Zeiss. I can't even think of a forth. Their glasses is superb and you pay for it. There are no comparable lenses available from the still camera world. A RED zoom is a big challenge, IMO. But that's what RED is all about so it'll be interesting to see what they develop.
 
leica makes some pretty glass in the still world Greg.. but your right.. nothing beats the big boys. To me, nothing beats S4's. I use them whenever i can. It will be interesting to see what the RED primes/zooms look like.

I have a feeling though places like Century may start whittling some old glass for RED.
 
I've been following this debate and I agree with filmmaker. He's right. PL mount lenses are heavy. And for run and gun use, SLR alternative will be the best option. If not for all, for many people that are working with the hvx. Or from the dvx world.
 
as i said: not all the people have the same needs..

so many expectations about the red revolution..

it must mean different solutions according the several customer profiles that will be possible to find in each potential RED shooter and its future use..

and don't limit the lightweight and affordable way for those that need or want it.. that is what i'm looking for and if i'm not wrong i will not be alone.
 
Good point Greg. But i'm still wondering about follow focus with the still photography lenses (although it may be unwarranted) ...

The S4's look good.

What about these Russian made "Elite's" http://www.slowmotioninc.com/sales/35_lenses.htm
I don't know about the quality, but they are apparently much cheaper than Zeiss. I would be interested if anyone knows the price list for them, or has used them. And used Zeiss SuperSpeeds are another option.

I'm anxious to start testing RED with a variety of lenses to see which I may want to buy, which to rent, and all the combinations possible...:thumbsup:



Cheers.

RED # wish I was higher
 
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D_and_G said:
Good point Greg. But i'm still wondering about follow focus with the still photography lenses.
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yup.. it's also my case.. SI is in that way and i am with them too!

Dolce e Gabbana.. don't be hidden never more ok?.. are you hearing about the dan (former MPIC, felix now) partnership with the Ari and Jason company?

I'm anxious to start testing RED with a variety of lenses to see which I may want to buy, which to rent, and all the combinations possible...:thumbsup:
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do you see jarred what i wanted to say?.. and this guy is coming from your native non-LA land.. :)
 
cost of Cooke S4 HD zoom?

cost of Cooke S4 HD zoom?

How much does the lens below cost?
Is this what we should be looking at to buy?
I only have a Canon 100mm macro. So I want to buy one zoom lens for my RED (when I get one) and that is it. I am not going to be able to afford more than one lens. (Yeah I know zooms have distortion, etc.)

What is the best zoom out there for RED? What is the cost of such lens?

I am guessing that Cooke will make all the lenses for RED. I am guessing that RED will have a zoom. I am guessing that it will be designed from scratch. But I want to know if it will be similar to the lens below in looks, weight and price. Maybe I am asking for too many RED secrets to be revealed too soon. I am just wondering how much money I should be saving up for a lens.

http://www.cookeoptics.com/cooke.nsf/secondary/s4hdzoom
 

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thanks Gordon for letting us know what filmmaker was saying.. and now i get it, and he does have a point. That is why there most likely will be a still mount for the Red camera. Unfortunately, there are alot of really slow, really crappy soft still lenses out there, but I still think that it will be a good starting point for alot of people that already are stretching to find the 17k for the body... many of those people hear the price of a cine-zoom to be $50,000 and they almost have a heart-attack.
 
Jarred Land said:
leica makes some pretty glass in the still world Greg.. but your right.. nothing beats the big boys. To me, nothing beats S4's. I use them whenever i can. It will be interesting to see what the RED primes/zooms look like.

I have a feeling though places like Century may start whittling some old glass for RED.
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Leica lenses are made by Leitz. Leitz also makes many of Panavision's lenses. I'm a Zeiss fan, but the S4's are fabulous lenses. I agree that Century could be a useful source of lenses for RED users.
 
Jarred Land said:
thanks Gordon for letting us know what filmmaker was saying..
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you got it.. :) yup, he's a supporter.. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

That is why there most likely will be a still mount for the Red camera. Unfortunately, there are alot of really slow, really crappy soft still lenses out there, but I still think that it will be a good starting point for alot of people that already are stretching to find the 17k for the body... many of those people hear the price of a cine-zoom to be $50,000 and they almost have a heart-attack.
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i completely agree.. it is where i found my explanation about the crap (i mean CONTENT not the fancy cinematography) that i've been finding in every hollywood hit.. the people need to make money to pay the gear :laugh: and they're forgetting the art of making movies.. it's not only cinematography.. in my case, i'm just a director.. awarded or not it's not the point..
 
acrochordon said:
How much does the lens below cost?
Is this what we should be looking at to buy?
I only have a Canon 100mm macro. So I want to buy one zoom lens for my RED (when I get one) and that is it. I am not going to be able to afford more than one lens. (Yeah I know zooms have distortion, etc.)

What is the best zoom out there for RED? What is the cost of such lens?

I am guessing that Cooke will make all the lenses for RED. I am guessing that RED will have a zoom. I am guessing that it will be designed from scratch. But I want to know if it will be similar to the lens below in looks, weight and price. Maybe I am asking for too many RED secrets to be revealed too soon. I am just wondering how much money I should be saving up for a lens.
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Are you sitting down? That lens, which is super-16 format, is $59,950. Only another $1,100 for the case.

Cooke zooms to cover the S35 sensor are $39,000 to $45,000. Cooke S4 primes range in price from $15,000 to $23,000 per focal length.
 
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It wouldn´t make sense for RED to develop a zoom in that price range. They aim at a broader market where people pay less. They don´t want to develop a camera for rental stores, neither they want do so with the lenses, I suppose. So a reasonable price for a zoom would be around 10K to 15K. Don´t know if it´s possible but that price tag would fit the concept of the RED as I perceive it.
 
I think they are targeting the zoom to be around $8000. I could be wrong, I know i got that number wrong before. But as you can see, compared to $50,000.. $8000 is a huge difference.

Im sure you understand the economies of scale though.. Cooke had a very small market to sell S35 lenses too.. basically Rental Houses and Very Rich people. Red comes in with a camera that should put a S35 camera in 1000X more hands... which will make the entire scale of prodution cost of the lens come down massively.

Oh.. and something to do with the fact Jim has a little company that has been making lenses for 25 years probally helps as well.
 
I thought the body of the RED would cost 10K and it came out at 17K. Now I wished the lens would be at 7K to 8K - so I wrote 10K to 15K. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) What I mean is: 8K for a zoom would be absolutely great!
 
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I think they are targeting the zoom to be around $8000. I could be wrong, I know i got that number wrong before. But as you can see, compared to $50,000.. $8000 is a huge difference.
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:dankk2: Jarred!

my savings are on-budget.. now, the only thing that we need is an estimated delivery date.. Jim, where are you?..

but if you prefer, i can requesting: Mr. Jannard, where are you, Sir?..
 
Ouch!

Ouch!

Thanks guys for the price estimates. $2,000 is the most I want to spend on a lens. Maybe I will not be buying a RED ONE as soon as I thought. Maybe I should get a second job. Anybody need their lawn mowed?
 

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do you see people?

don't worry.. people like me it will request a 35mm still photography mount as well..

and despite the non-offcial confirmation, jarred and graeme both already confirmed the feature.. though i'd like hear the owner himself.
 
Jarred Land said:
I think they are targeting the zoom to be around $8000. I could be wrong, I know i got that number wrong before. But as you can see, compared to $50,000.. $8000 is a huge difference.
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I hope you're right! That price would be sweet.

Every RED camera should have an Oakley lens! If they cost $50,000, that won't be happening.

Zane
 
need something cheap but good

need something cheap but good

Is a Canon HD 20x for XL-H1 good enough to do 1920x1080 on the RED?
I don't own this lens. I could buy anything.

I want something good but still reasonably priced that will do 1080. I don't need a perfect lens, because I will probably not shoot in 4K.

What are some other good choices for around $2000? Please post a comment.
 

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