RED CAMERA Prelim. Specs

I think it's going to get pretty front-heavy, once we put in the Lens, FF and MB. But with a Small prime and a clamp-on MB, it could be used handheld as a palmcorder.

I think it's a little too flashy, and would certainly prefer something more sober (wich I knew was not going to happen, considering Oakley industrial design). Still, Design is not going to get me to buy a camera. Sheer performance and useability will.
 
I'll concur on the possibility of it being front-heavy, but from an accessory perspective I think the cage is brilliant?
 
Greg Lowry said:
It's still impossible to make any comments about the technology of this camera concept, so the only thing that one can really comment on is the industrial design. I really don't like this form factor. A 4K camera means heavy lenses, follow focus systems, etc. In my opinion this form factor is not operator-friendly. It needs to be a shoulder camera. The self-consciously cool design leaves me absolutely cold and frankly hurts my eyes. Having said that, I support the effort but hope that RED goes back to the drawing board on the industrial design.

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No camera is perfect, but I think you are jumping to conclusions about the form factor. It looks to me like there will certainly be shoulder "cages" and studio "cages" for heavy lenses and follow focus systems. The cages you have seen may hurt your eyes, but for many of us they are the beautiful future.
 
Everdene said:
No camera is perfect, but I think you are jumping to conclusions about the form factor. It looks to me like there will certainly be shoulder "cages" and studio "cages" for heavy lenses and follow focus systems. The cages you have seen may hurt your eyes, but for many of us they are the beautiful future.
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Everdene: I have no expectations of perfection. Everything is highly subjective in that regard. Trying to be all things to all users is a tough design challenge. I'm sure you're right that various other cages, including hand hend and studio configurations, are part of the plan. The design appears to allow for lots of flexibility. As I said in my previous post, it's impossible to comment on the technical aspects of the camera as it's still in development. I'm simply commenting on the industrial design. I'm personally not buying into the design concept at this point. Rather than looking like the future, it looks like a mechano set from my childhood. I'm sure that RED is using the NAB unveiling as an opportunity for feedback rather than expecting unqualified raves. Otherwise why show the product in this very early stage of development? Some market segments will be more enthusiastic than others. Until there's a functioning camera it's impossible to properly assess the suitability of the form factor. But that's what we've been shown. I don't like this form factor, but I'm reserving final judgement until I see the finished product.
 
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Greg Lowry said:
Rather than looking like the future, it looks like something from the past. I have a feeling that the pro community will be less than enthusiastic.
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I have to agree with you that the current cages won't appeal to some in the pro community. But I don't think it takes a lot of imagination to deck out these early 3D renderings with a studio cage, matte box, follow focus, etc.

I obviously like the design approach. You can't easily take a 40lb studio camera out mountain climbing, but you can take Red mountain climbing and then bring it back to the studio. I guess someone will need to design a retro "cage" that looks like a Viper or Cinealta just to impress the pro community.
 
Everdene said:
I obviously like the design approach. You can't easily take a 40lb studio camera out mountain climbing, but you can take Red mountain climbing and then bring it back to the studio. I guess someone will need to design a retro "cage" that looks like a Viper or Cinealta just to impress the pro community.
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That's a cheap shot at the pro community. For pros it's all about day-to-day, day-in-day-out functionality. All existing cameras have shortcomings and those who use the cameras know that better than anyone. Just because RED has a new approach doesn't automatically mean it's a better approach.
 
So far it seems like a killer camera package if it does everything they say it can....my concern is that when your paid for a job corporate or whatever this camera may take a little while before clients are comfortable hiring it for a job.

If the final price is near 20 G's and you still need other attachments to actually use it, I think I would at least for now until it has more time on the market, I would stick to a more traditional camera.

I'm interested in seeing how it operates...
 
Greg Lowry said:
That's a cheap shot at the pro community. For pros it's all about day-to-day, day-in-day-out functionality. All existing cameras have shortcomings and those who use the cameras know that better than anyone. Just because RED has a new approach doesn't automatically mean it's a better approach.
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No cheap shot intended. We all know, of course, that functionality is more important than the look. I was simply replying to your disparaging comments about the look. And all I did was comment on how it may be possible with the cage concept to create a look and form factor to keep people like you happy.
 
Couldn't this highly reflective surface mess with your lighting? Besides that, I'd hate to have a brilliant actor in front of my camera and feel like they're not giving me their best because there's a big red dot and a chrome metal cage that looks like some kind of sentinel from the terminator staring them at them. It looks like if you pulled one of Hal's eyes out of the spaceship walls, this is what would be attached behind it. I love the idea of this camera, but it's about actors and what's in front of the camera, not cool looking gear or the ego of the crew. There is such a thing as practicality and the first thing I think a camera should do on a film set is not call attention to itself. I just shot on 35 with the arri bl2 and the thing is pretty big, but it was definitely black and I think there's something to be said for having a very flat, non-reflective surface on a piece of equipment that might find itself a few inches from an actor's face.
 
Cine99 said:
there's a big red dot and a chrome metal cage that looks like some kind of sentinel from the terminator staring them at them.
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hahahaha, I had the T2 theme song in my head when I took a look at that
 
This is my first post here. Looking forward to more.

As for the RED, I've been counting down the hours so see this thing and all I can say now is, "uh?" Is this thing for real or is what they are posting more of a concept camera? It looks like it was designed by the ertyl toy company. I get the same feeling when I see a concept at a car show. Sure, it looks special on it's red velvet pedistal, but out in the real world it will never fly. I certainly won't knock it's performance, but when I look at the thing, I can't tell top from bottom, left from right. For some reason, the second I saw this on the RED website, I got the feeling that they are still leaving us in the dark. That this really isn't their product.
 
Joe, do you really think it's going to matter. $17,500 for a 4k cam....It could look like a damn pineapple for all I care!
 
not to mention, once again, we knew they were going to show a non working prototype, theve said this from the begining.

and also, while its hard for me to get excited by the pics of the camera, That's obviously not what it will look like when u use it. That, with lens, recorder, viewfinder, and lcd will look much more familiar.
 
Greg Lowry said:
That's a cheap shot at the pro community. For pros it's all about day-to-day, day-in-day-out functionality. All existing cameras have shortcomings and those who use the cameras know that better than anyone. Just because RED has a new approach doesn't automatically mean it's a better approach.
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The varicams,etc are eye sores...this is welcome relief.
Someone said it would distract the actors...once the lens is infront, etc., highly doubt it.

Its just years of thinking the same...old grey, bulgy, boxes are very distracting...Red, although it may not be to everyones taste, actually has style. (Im sure more people would have opted for the Canon Hd feel, but the point is what the camera does...its light weight, affordable and can do more than the monster packages its replacing...)

Peace

dalen
 
Cine99 said:
Couldn't this highly reflective surface mess with your lighting? .
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The camera WILL NOT be chrome or shiny.. it will be a matte color, probally available in black or some other color.. but it wont be reflective.
 
Well all about it, but I´m curious about how to edit what I supposs to be a very big amount of data.

I think this device and tech are not for indies (am I wrong?)

In my experience, moving to the HVX200 was not cheap, it costs to me more than US$ 25.000 (Camera, P2cards, HD video card, HD Monitor, software Avid xpress pro HD 5.2.3, Sata raid disks, and other aditions to my non linear equipement, not counting the FS100 or Cine porter wich I will have to get soon)

So This new camera, I think, is going to be spensive

Sorry about my english, I´m spanish spoken person

Erdiaz
www.imaginartdigital.com
 
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Aaron,

I know what you're saying. What I am saying though is that this might not be what the RED team is really selling to the public. From what I've read, others agree. My biggest concern now is, "does it come in black?" A working professional is not going to use a chrome camera for obvious reasons. I'm sure others are going to retort by saying that it will not be chrome, but look at the pictures. That's a chrome camera. Somebody else said that at NAB they had a none working model. That's what I mean. It is not done yet. I really don't think it is going to be that far out. It is still in the concept stage.
 
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