Record uncompressed 14-bit (4:4:4) on your HVX200
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Buy into a whole new system? It's just a mac-mini and it costs what? 500 bucks?
I would rather get a mini than have to drag a whole laptop around. Just consider it part of the Hydra cost. If somebody is too cheap or can't afford a mac-mini I see no point in buying Hydra when you will need about 250GB per hour of footage to record uncompressed. If you can’t afford an extra 500 you surely won’t be able to afford the storage. It's like saying you want to drive a Mercedes but can't afford to put gas in it. In that case just don't buy the Mercedes then.
I would rather get a mini than have to drag a whole laptop around. Just consider it part of the Hydra cost. If somebody is too cheap or can't afford a mac-mini I see no point in buying Hydra when you will need about 250GB per hour of footage to record uncompressed. If you can’t afford an extra 500 you surely won’t be able to afford the storage. It's like saying you want to drive a Mercedes but can't afford to put gas in it. In that case just don't buy the Mercedes then.
$500 equals, what, £250 ha ha....ha Over here mac minis are a damn sight more than £250, more like £500+++ ie plus storage, plus display, plus ram. And are they any faster than my 2.16 GHz dual-core laptop with 2GB ram, gigabit ethernet and an expresscard slot to take an eSATA card and drives?
What I'm saying is I ALREADY have the kit I need, and don't want to be buying more.
Dave
What I'm saying is I ALREADY have the kit I need, and don't want to be buying more.
Dave
This pc people, the lack of software on their platform really makes me wonder how people can buy into them :huh: , it is going to be interesting to see if they are even going to support the RedOne on a pc... I forgot the new Macs are PCs and they can run virtually any software on earth and every operative system human kind could come up with..
I apologise but it is really funny to see how the world is changing.:beer:
The Hidra sounds fantastic and I really look forward to see some of the early adopters
do magic with it!!
Photographing in a RAW format it is going to give really great flexibility especially for Color Correction in "Color" and storage is becoming cheaper and cheaper, I just picked up 900 GB worth of HD Space for $250, this is a different world where Macs have an advantage on the other platforms, even if they are not perfect, and where somebody with an HVX can film uncompressed footage for 60/Hour worth of HD space it is 1$ a minute.
Thanks so much for the great innovation and for bringing the software on my favorite platform first :thumbup:
Cheers
Aldo
I apologise but it is really funny to see how the world is changing.:beer:
The Hidra sounds fantastic and I really look forward to see some of the early adopters
do magic with it!!
Photographing in a RAW format it is going to give really great flexibility especially for Color Correction in "Color" and storage is becoming cheaper and cheaper, I just picked up 900 GB worth of HD Space for $250, this is a different world where Macs have an advantage on the other platforms, even if they are not perfect, and where somebody with an HVX can film uncompressed footage for 60/Hour worth of HD space it is 1$ a minute.
Thanks so much for the great innovation and for bringing the software on my favorite platform first :thumbup:
Cheers
Aldo
Hello,
Yes, the plan is to support PC/Windows shortly after the system is released to the public with Mac support.
As affordable as this system is compared to other raw uncompressed recording solutions, there will inevitably be other costs associated with handling/storage the footage just like handling any high-quality format, 4K DI, 35mm film, etc. That's just the nature of uncompressed.
We understand that there are a great deal of people out there using PC's, as well as Macs. It just so happens that because of the way USB2.0 and PC's in general work, our initial product and current software is Mac based so the SculptorHD 2.0 will intially be for the Mac.
However, if you go look at what any other uncompressed HD recording system costs, I think you will agree that a $500 Mac Mini and some drives which you probably already own is as affordable as it can possibly get.
Cheers,
Juan
Yes, the plan is to support PC/Windows shortly after the system is released to the public with Mac support.
As affordable as this system is compared to other raw uncompressed recording solutions, there will inevitably be other costs associated with handling/storage the footage just like handling any high-quality format, 4K DI, 35mm film, etc. That's just the nature of uncompressed.
We understand that there are a great deal of people out there using PC's, as well as Macs. It just so happens that because of the way USB2.0 and PC's in general work, our initial product and current software is Mac based so the SculptorHD 2.0 will intially be for the Mac.
However, if you go look at what any other uncompressed HD recording system costs, I think you will agree that a $500 Mac Mini and some drives which you probably already own is as affordable as it can possibly get.
Cheers,
Juan
Mediacre said:
yea but a laptop has a screen and you can see what youre doing. Plus its battery powered.
Sorry for the mis-aimed comments. Jumped the gun on the mac vs. PC thing, cause that's what I thought was happenin'.
PC goes a longer way than just capturing uncompressed footage. You can edit on it afterward, for example.
Lack of expandibility. Integrated graphics? No thanks. It's basically a brick. Ram upgrade? negative. It's impractical for me, but might be fine for you.
A custom-built PC priced at 800 will out-do any Mac Mini at this point. Edit: But that's if you want to just use the mini for uncompressed capture and nothing else.
-- Explain your early figures about gig pricing. See here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=933213&postcount=406
and here
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=932898&postcount=398
RedOne support on PC? Sure, give it a bit, but it'll come. Lack of Software for PC? Sorry, but you're sorely mistaken. Most of the software being developed is for a PC. Final Cut Studio does not constitute as the end/be all of software, and is basically the major reason for anyone to run OS X or purchase a Mac, these days. XP is just as stable as OS X in the right hands. People who know what they're doing on a computer.
Unless a minute of Uncompressed Hydra footage takes up a rough 4 to 5gigs of space on an HDD, I can't see where you guys keep coming up with anything above 40 cents a minute to record?
I MUST be missing something.
Mediacre said:
PC goes a longer way than just capturing uncompressed footage. You can edit on it afterward, for example.
Mediacre said:
Lack of expandibility. Integrated graphics? No thanks. It's basically a brick. Ram upgrade? negative. It's impractical for me, but might be fine for you.
A custom-built PC priced at 800 will out-do any Mac Mini at this point. Edit: But that's if you want to just use the mini for uncompressed capture and nothing else.
-- Explain your early figures about gig pricing. See here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=933213&postcount=406
and here
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=932898&postcount=398
You're right. Your Laptop is abotu the same if not better than a Mac Mini. This shoulda been the end of of it but--daveswan said:
You're right, Mac Pro's just became PC's... at the price-tag of 2500. For outdated hardware. It's a fact that Apple makes it's money selling Hardware, not software. And it's all old.ragno said:
RedOne support on PC? Sure, give it a bit, but it'll come. Lack of Software for PC? Sorry, but you're sorely mistaken. Most of the software being developed is for a PC. Final Cut Studio does not constitute as the end/be all of software, and is basically the major reason for anyone to run OS X or purchase a Mac, these days. XP is just as stable as OS X in the right hands. People who know what they're doing on a computer.
Unless a minute of Uncompressed Hydra footage takes up a rough 4 to 5gigs of space on an HDD, I can't see where you guys keep coming up with anything above 40 cents a minute to record?
I MUST be missing something.
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Barry_Green
Moderator
Look, the whole discussion is degrading into the perpetual Mac vs. PC debate, which is pointless to engage in here; take it elsewhere please.
Here's the simple fact: lots and lots of people in the world use PCs. About 90% of the computers in the world are running Windows. So if people are interested in having a Windows option, that's okay -- accept it and move on. And lots of HVX users are using the Mac; by my informal BootCamp surveys, I'd say somewhere north of 90% of HVX users are running on Macs. That's okay too. For Hydra to be successful it should work on both platforms. And Juan's said that it will. So that really should be good news for everyone, and certainly not fodder to start a Mac vs. PC debate!
Here's the simple fact: lots and lots of people in the world use PCs. About 90% of the computers in the world are running Windows. So if people are interested in having a Windows option, that's okay -- accept it and move on. And lots of HVX users are using the Mac; by my informal BootCamp surveys, I'd say somewhere north of 90% of HVX users are running on Macs. That's okay too. For Hydra to be successful it should work on both platforms. And Juan's said that it will. So that really should be good news for everyone, and certainly not fodder to start a Mac vs. PC debate!
Kholi said:
Hey Kholi, smart boy, biased you say right? Guess how many Macs I have? Zero!
Guess how many Macs I ever had? Zero!
A lot of Macs for a biased Mac guy uh?
Barry, this has nothing to do with Mac vs PC really. Sorry if some took it to that direction. I didn't. You can see by my post that that’s not what I meant at all. Nothing to do with that. It has to do with people complaining about spending what equals to pocket money in the world of media production and talking about shooting uncompressed in the same sentence.
About the Mac-Mini, it has nothing to do with whatever it outperforms a PC or windows laptop or not or whatever it's cheaper than those or not. It has to do with the fact they are cheap enough and do the job with Hydra and are more portable than a laptop. Get a 18v battery and it will power the mac-mini. If you want to drag a laptop around on the set to save some coins be my guest. I will take the mac mini because it's smaller and less cumbersome. Snap a small touch screen on it and you have a recorder the size of a chocolate box instead of a whole computer. Nothing to do with Mac vs. PC, I AM a PC guy. Nothing to do with saving money. If I want to save money I wouldn't be talking about shooting uncompressed. I would shoot DV. It has to do with making more sense to me and not wanting to take my laptop to the set. Why would I wear it out when a Mac Mini does the job just fine, will cost way less than half what my laptop did and is more portable? Well, to each his own I guess.
Hello,
About the european and other versions of the HVX, we expect Hydra will be compatible with all of them. The issues with PAL compatibility on Andromeda have to do with the bandwidth limitations of the USB2.0 interface. Since Hydra uses a much faster Gigabit Ethernet interface, this is no longer an issue.
Similarly, on the PC/Mac compatibility topic, the issues with writing a PC version had nothing to do with an actual decision to support PC's or not. Andromeda is a very unique device, specially from the perspective of USB 2.0. Because of the many PC manufacturers, fast-moving market and Windows architecture, there were severe hardware and practical limitations.
Again, with Hydra this is no longer an issue, and we intend to support both PC and Mac platforms, although Mac will almost certainly be supported initially.
Cheers,
Juan
About the european and other versions of the HVX, we expect Hydra will be compatible with all of them. The issues with PAL compatibility on Andromeda have to do with the bandwidth limitations of the USB2.0 interface. Since Hydra uses a much faster Gigabit Ethernet interface, this is no longer an issue.
Similarly, on the PC/Mac compatibility topic, the issues with writing a PC version had nothing to do with an actual decision to support PC's or not. Andromeda is a very unique device, specially from the perspective of USB 2.0. Because of the many PC manufacturers, fast-moving market and Windows architecture, there were severe hardware and practical limitations.
Again, with Hydra this is no longer an issue, and we intend to support both PC and Mac platforms, although Mac will almost certainly be supported initially.
Cheers,
Juan
Though the camera can record 2K files, what is the optical resolution of the camera system when shooting a resolution chart? Are there any posted examples?
I guess I am just a left brained guy but some kind of baseline numbers from a resolution chart would really helpful. Especially in deciding if the SI camera is worth the additional $.
I understand there is more to quality than this but it is an important element and is quantifiable. Also a DCS chart will show where and how much aliasing is present which doesn't show easily in most practical shots.
One wonders if the lack of a published res chart image is because the number isn't flattering. Would ~700 X 700 lines be a reasonable figure?
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I understand there is more to quality than this but it is an important element and is quantifiable. Also a DCS chart will show where and how much aliasing is present which doesn't show easily in most practical shots.
One wonders if the lack of a published res chart image is because the number isn't flattering. Would ~700 X 700 lines be a reasonable figure?
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Barry_Green
Moderator
The lack of a published res chart image is because the hydra'd HVX isn't done yet!
Look on reel-stream for res charts from the Andromeda's DVX, you'll see they compare very favorably, even superior to, the 1/3" HD camcorders. I would expect the Hydra to be better still since it has over 50% more pixels to work with, and actual vertical spatial offset too (which the DVX doesn't have).
Look on reel-stream for res charts from the Andromeda's DVX, you'll see they compare very favorably, even superior to, the 1/3" HD camcorders. I would expect the Hydra to be better still since it has over 50% more pixels to work with, and actual vertical spatial offset too (which the DVX doesn't have).
Actually, a simple search on dvxuser or the Reel-Stream forum will show that we posted a resolution chart over a year ago, available here along with the same rez chart shot on different prosumer HD cams:
http://forum.reel-stream.com/viewtopic.php?t=363
This rez chart was shot with an Andromeda DVX100A and no other accessories. Also note that this was processed with an early version of our software, there have been several new versions since then.
Once we have Hydra+HVX finalized we will post resolution and latitude tests, as we have done in the past. The HVX certainly has more resolving power than the DVX, specially in the horizontal axis.
Cheers,
Juan