Record uncompressed 14-bit (4:4:4) on your HVX200

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pertierr said:
We will be announcing release dates sometime after NAB, but the target release is during the second half of 2007, allowing for a couple months of beta testing after NAB. Things are moving a LOT quicker this time around, since we now have the experience from Andromeda.

About data rates, Andromeda currently dumps about 28MBytes/sec of uncompressed 24P data, which is roughly 100GB/hour. With Hydra on the HVX, remember that you need not record always at 14-bit, but assuming you do select 14-bit at 24P, excpect somewhere 60-80MBytes/sec at maximum resolution.

You can use the RAM record capability to test modes without a fast hard disk connected, and then use the xLUT tools to see if you can achieve the quality and look you want at a lower recorded bit depth. In some situations where decisions will be made in post or effects will be applied, 14-bit linear is probably desirable. However, in situations where the data is only to be color corrected you may find a 14-bit to 12 or 10-bit lookup table that will give you the exact same results as if you color corrected 14-bit in post, but gets applied in real-time.

Cheers,
Juan@reel-stream.om
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Will you still have to alter you camera like with the Andromeda, and will Panasonic honor warrantees if you do so?
 
Yes; if you read the the specs, you'll notice that the way you capture the Hydra footage is through an ethernet cable, and the port needs to be installed. Panasonic will void the warranty once this is done.

Note: regarding my earlier post about the Barry Green test; I didn't realize it was well over a year old, my bad.
 
Does reel-stream have their own warranty? In other words, you get the "implant," something goes wrong, how long do they stand behind it to fix... till you must pay for .... service.

or something. Everytghing is kinda slow right now.
 
taormina said:
So does the Hydra mod permanently affect the rest of the camera...i.e. are it's normal functions and modes still available?
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Everything continues to operate just like it did before the mod was done. Nothing is affected, your HVX is still a 100% fully-functional HVX and works just like it always did.

But if you plug in the new port, then you get access to all the goodness under the hood... :thumbsup:
 
ifownlee41nite@mac.com said:
Will you still have to alter you camera like with the Andromeda, and will Panasonic honor warrantees if you do so?
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Yes there's a modification necessary, and no Panasonic won't honor your warranty once you have the mod done.

The Panasonic warranty is 365 days; it seems like the Hydra would be an awesome "birthday present" for your HVX but if you do it before your HVX's first birthday, you'd be losing out on any further factory warranty coverage.
 
Hello,

Yes, there is a warranty on the Reel-Stream hardware. As Barry mentions, because we have to install something in the camera the factory warranty is void. However, since we are extremely familiar with these cameras if you happen to have any issues with other parts of the camera(firewire port breaking anybody?), we can usually fix these very quickly as well.

Cheers,
Juan
 
Good to know. I went on your website and couldn't find any reel-stream warranty info other than the void issue.

I'm assuming the fine print is given upon inquiry or when you go to begin the process?
 
Barry_Green said:
Everything continues to operate just like it did before the mod was done. Nothing is affected, your HVX is still a 100% fully-functional HVX and works just like it always did.

But if you plug in the new port, then you get access to all the goodness under the hood... :thumbsup:
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Oh, good. This is one thing I was worried about. I might just have to invest in this someday. :)
 
Depends on how long beta testing takes. We're looking at 2-3 months until beta testing. Given that we've done this before and are building on our previous designs we don't expect any hardware changes just firmware/software upgrades so it should be fairly straightforward.

Cheers,
Juan
 
Somewhat related news, an Andromeda DVX100A was used for recording composition elements for "The Reaping" now playing in theaters.

Beta testers will have first access to Hydra hardware, I think it is too early to say how long the beta process will take but I'd say last quarter of 2007 for the public release.

Cheers,
Juan@reel-stream.com
 
If it records uncompressed 4:4:4, how many GB per min of recorded footage? Like how many minutes will a 100Gb drive hold?
 
Depends if you shoot 8, 10, 12 or 14 bit 4:4:4. Some of the data rates answers are in this thread, now getting so big it is difficult to go back and find the info. From memory, either 12 or 14 bit 4:4:4 24p was around 70-80MB/s.
 
That's correct, the uncompressed data rates go all the way up to over 110MByte/sec for the 60P high bit-depth modes. However for 24P 2K @ 14-bit it is around 70MB/sec, and roughly 50MB/sec for 24P @ 10-bit for example. For any bit-depths lower than 14-bit, you can use a real-time record LUT(gamma curves) to do realtime encoding or color correction in the native 14-bit space, even if you're not recording into 14-bits.

The xLUT software to do this color grading and LUT generation is free, you can download the Mac OS X version here:
http://www.reel-stream.com/support.php

Cheers,
Juan
 
Wow 70MB/S for 24p @ 14-bit? That's 252GB per hour or about $110 per hour! That's $1.83 a minute. Isn't 35mm film’s rough calculation including stock, processing and telecine $1 a minute? Or is it $1 a second?

pertierr said:
For any bit-depths lower than 14-bit, you can use a real-time record LUT(gamma curves) to do realtime encoding or color correction in the native 14-bit space, even if you're not recording into 14-bits.
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What would be the advantage on that?

How much do you lose for not shooting in 14-bit? Is it even worth it to get Hydra to shot at only 10-bit?
 
That calculation is a bit pricey. But expec it to come down later this year.

I dunno how you got 110.00 actually. A 250gb HDD is 70.00.
 
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