Re: T4i Specs

A longish review with video here:

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/ca...al-slrs-hybrids/canon-eos-650d-1083870/review

"When the new Canon 40mm f/2.8 STM lens was mounted on the Canon EOS 650D, there was a noticeable change in the focus movement when using Live View and recording video. We found the subject moved much more slowly and smoothly into focus than when the 18-55mm lens was used, and the result is much more professional-looking movie footage."
 
Samuel H said:
if aliasing/moire are solved, I would definitely consider it an upgrade for all the old aps-c models, including the 7D

but that's still an "if": there's no info out yet on aliasing/moire on the T4i/650D
* the 5D3 solved these issues, the 650D should have them solved too
* but the 5D3 has all-I and IPB, and I've seen no mention about them on the 650D brochure (and the bitrate numbers match the old codec)
so: wait and see (and I'm looking at alternatives while I wait; I already ruled out the D3200 because of the aliasing/moire, and am currently looking into the 5N: that tiny little cam has been calling me for months...)
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I have a NEX-5N and it has aliasing and moire. It is good in low light and has good dynamic range. If the 650D has no aliasing and moire and is much better in low light than the previous Canon APS-C cameras I might replace the 5N, but I have a feeling that Canon hasn't made any big improvements in these areas. I think they might have kept the video improvements for the 7D MKII.
 
that's what I'm fearing, that Canon may have left all the video IQ improvements out of the 650D
if that's the case, my choices are:
A) stick to my current T2i: it still works, and it is as awesome as it was the day I bought it (actually, a bit better, since ML has improved a lot since then)
B) switch it for a nex-5n: it's not a hell of a lot better (still some aliasing/moire, but I hear not as bad as in the old canons), but it is somewhat better, it has 1080p60, and it would be a nearly-free switch (<$100)
C) move up to the D800: IQ seems great, even without an external recorder (which is how I'd use it), it has one stop more of DR, it's great in low light if you don't fear NR, and it's an awesome stills camera; but it's $3K, and it still has some aliasing/moire
D) move up to the 5D3: it is definitely a great camera, but I still feel it's overpriced, specially for its core market (stills); I still think it will fall to around $3K once Canon gets manufacturing sorted and the cameras start piling up on the shelves, and if that happens it may be my choice

I've already discarded the D3200, the K-01, the sony DSLRs...
and I still don't like the image from the GH2, even if it has by far the sharpest image under $10K (actually, it's not that sharpness, but lack of aliasing/moire, that would tempt me towards that one)
 
c3hammer said:
Canon dslr 720p has been worthless for anything. It is so soft that my old miniDV cams out perform it for sharpness :)

It will be interesting to see if they actually fixed it in this new cam, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Which is why your "old" mini dvd footage looks exactly like Video, something I'm so far against. As a matter of fact sharpness is something I hate the most while shooting footage as I mostly record people and even add softening filters to give faces a pleasant look. Having worked with Red Epic to most video cameras I will 100% tell you sharpness is not everything and even these Canon dslrs have such a beautiful image that many many of my clients enjoy.

Great story, proper art design, then great framing, good lenses, excellent lighting top notch editing gives me amazing footage. Rarely do I run into aliasing and moire , but sometimes I do and which is why the new 5d Mark iii and hopefully this model + newer canon dslrs will be mine.
 
hmm.... one of the other major disappointments I had with my 7D was the overheating issue. Hope they've fixed it in the 2nd generation DSLRs too.

Thanks for the responses unadog and Samuel H.
 
I'm actually over Canon's disappointments at the moment. They can keep their high end stuff and old DSLR technology. I'll still use my t2i, but they won't get any more money out of me.
 
Samuel H said:
that's what I'm fearing, that Canon may have left all the video IQ improvements out of the 650D
if that's the case, my choices are:
A) stick to my current T2i: it still works, and it is as awesome as it was the day I bought it (actually, a bit better, since ML has improved a lot since then)
B) switch it for a nex-5n: it's not a hell of a lot better (still some aliasing/moire, but I hear not as bad as in the old canons), but it is somewhat better, it has 1080p60, and it would be a nearly-free switch (<$100)
C) move up to the D800: IQ seems great, even without an external recorder (which is how I'd use it), it has one stop more of DR, it's great in low light if you don't fear NR, and it's an awesome stills camera; but it's $3K, and it still has some aliasing/moire
D) move up to the 5D3: it is definitely a great camera, but I still feel it's overpriced, specially for its core market (stills); I still think it will fall to around $3K once Canon gets manufacturing sorted and the cameras start piling up on the shelves, and if that happens it may be my choice
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The NEX-5N 60p isn't great, the bit-rate is too low, overall it's just about on par with the 5D MKII in most areas. If I was you I'd go for the D800 and Mosaic anti-aliasing filter or wait for the 7D MKII or perhaps the D600 (no idea if the video spec will be as good as the D800 but it's rumoured to be half the price and full frame.) The 5D MKIII is great and I'm really happy with mine but the D800 with its extra stop of dynamic range and slightly more resolution is tempting. I expect the 7D MKII and D600 will be announced by September.
 
I take it the D600 is a Nikon?

Canon is also rumored to have a lower priced full frame in the works, in addition to the 7D2. According to Canon Rumors at least - at about $1,500 less than the 5D3. Although they have also said 30+ MP?

Plus the Canon mirrorless.

No reason to jump quickly if you don't think the 4Ti is a good fit.

I figure there is very little downside, compared to what I used to spend on film! What's the depreciation on an $850 body, maybe $100-$150 per year? I used to easily spend $5,000 a year or more on film for personal projects. Not to mention my 1Ds2, which depreciated about $1,250 per year (which already kicked butt vs. film.) The cost of these things is trivial! :)

The only thing I really wanted from thre 4Ti was better focus during video, not necessarily autofocus. Plus some firmware functions similar to ML. If it can substitute for a camcorder in maybe 1/3 of cases I'll be happy (in addition to cine usage.)

I would like a higher bit rate and Canon's Log Codec, along with smart downsampling, on a full frame though, that would be nice!

Michael
 
unadog said:
I take it the D600 is a Nikon?

Canon is also rumored to have a lower priced full frame in the works, in addition to the 7D2. According to Canon Rumors at least - at about $1,500 less than the 5D3. Although they have also said 30+ MP?
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Where is that rumor coming from? Any idea if its from a good source, or just wishful thinking?

I reckon a cheaper FF would sell like hot cakes....
 
I think it's just wishful thinking: Nikon is known to be doing it (with the D600), and there's hope Canon may be exploring that option too
 
and no, the T4i doesn't have a headphone jack, and the T3i records 1080p but doesn't resolve that much (i.e. it records soft and aliased 1080p, as opposed to sharp and clean 1080p)
 
Samuel H said:
and no, the T4i doesn't have a headphone jack, and the T3i records 1080p but doesn't resolve that much (i.e. it records soft and aliased 1080p, as opposed to sharp and clean 1080p)
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is it true that t3i is actually 720p and scales to 1080? i've read someone mention that t3i is actually 720p only.
 
Samuel H said:
and no, the T4i doesn't have a headphone jack, and the T3i records 1080p but doesn't resolve that much (i.e. it records soft and aliased 1080p, as opposed to sharp and clean 1080p)
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will the video quality of t4i be better than t3i? does it record 1080p sharp and clean?
 
video on the old DSLRs is somewhere between 720 and 1080, and scaled up to 1080
the 5D3 is better than that, still not as many lines of real definition as "real 1080p" should have, but closer, and cleaner, and reacts very well to sharpening in post
no info yet on the T4i: it could be like the old cameras, or like the 5D3
 
I wonder what results can bring power of Digic 5 and ML with higher bitrates?
What you think?
 
Some of you guys have to differentiate between the actual resolution of the h.264 mov file (1920x1080 pixels on all canon APS-C dslrs that shoot video) and the actual resolving power of the system on a chart. The combination of lens, sensor and processing rarely if ever actually resolves to 1080 lines on a chart for an 1080HD file. Even the fabeled GH2 doesn't resolve 1080 lines on a chart.

Canon's are notoriously soft on a chart for 1080HD yet they actually record a very distinct 1920x1080 pixels for every frame.

I'm just sayin, as there seems to be some misnomers about this resolution thang going on here :)

Cheers,
Pete
 
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