Public Enemies
- Thread starter Michael B. McGee
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Red Malone
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I hate to burst anyone's EX bubble but I have to say that yes, "Public Enemies" was partially shot on an EX1. However, it's not like you're going to see any footage that came off of a SxS card. The footage went straight to a Sony SRW5800 HDCAM SR Studio Recorder.
We're talking a full-bandwidth HDCAM-SR studio recorder used in conjunction with Sony's top-quality CineAlta line of cameras The format records full bandwidth video at nearly 3.5x the data-rate of HDCAM, providing virtually lossless image acquisition. This technology is capable of recording full-bandwidth uncompressed 4:4:4 video for high-end archiving and film production masters.
I'm guessing that you are probably not getting the same info on your SxS cards... just a hunch!
Now, I'm not trying to poop on anyone's parade. I like the EX 1/3. Minus a few ergonomic issues, it's a great camera. I just may buy one. All I want to say is that the PE footage may have gone to through the camera's great imagers, but it didn't ever touch an SxS card.
We're talking a full-bandwidth HDCAM-SR studio recorder used in conjunction with Sony's top-quality CineAlta line of cameras The format records full bandwidth video at nearly 3.5x the data-rate of HDCAM, providing virtually lossless image acquisition. This technology is capable of recording full-bandwidth uncompressed 4:4:4 video for high-end archiving and film production masters.
I'm guessing that you are probably not getting the same info on your SxS cards... just a hunch!
Now, I'm not trying to poop on anyone's parade. I like the EX 1/3. Minus a few ergonomic issues, it's a great camera. I just may buy one. All I want to say is that the PE footage may have gone to through the camera's great imagers, but it didn't ever touch an SxS card.
Well if you were there when they shot the film you should state that fact. Because i read this which seems more fact based than your post:
http://news.creativecow.net/story/862164
And I quote from the linked piece: "Complementing the F23’s use to achieve a realistic look was Sony’s HDCAM SR™ digital videocassettes. These cassettes are designed to fully maximize the benefits of 4:4:4 RGB recording technology. The PMW-EX1 camcorder recorded to Sony SxS PRO™ memory cards."
I just came back from seeing this with a friend and we were both blown away by what a beautiful work of art the cinematography was. Yes there were some grainy lackluster shots but they were quick shots. There are so many scenes that totally blew me away with low light , no added light, light only from machine gun blasts and and just the general overall look you should do yourself a favor and see it on the big screen. The low light ability of the cameras are what made for really unique shots and scenes. The film itself was great too. Mann rules.
Also there is no way to get full bandwidth 4:4:4 out of the EX1 as you imply. Just because the SR recorder is capable doesn't mean that the signal output from the EX1 is 4:4:4.
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http://digitalcontentproducer.com/cameras/revfeat/michael_mann_public_enemies_0708/index.html
That article there states they took the HDSDI out of the EX1 and recorded to their HDCAM SR decks..
422 still beats 420.
That article there states they took the HDSDI out of the EX1 and recorded to their HDCAM SR decks..
422 still beats 420.
In all honisty, how many of you who actually saw Public Enemies in theature are praising because it truly was a cinematic marvle Vs. because it was shot partially with a prosumer camera?
I just saw it last night (35mm projection) and it just had something about its look & feel that did not seem normal which inspired a google search to get some beta on what and how it was aquired which brought me to this thread.
To me the footage and movements were to sterile for a film that was trying to portray the era that it was.
HD is great but I do not think this was a film that fully took advantage of its positive attributes.
IMDB state that part of the film was also shot on Super35 (5219). Anyone know what the percentage of film to HD actually worked out to?
I just saw it last night (35mm projection) and it just had something about its look & feel that did not seem normal which inspired a google search to get some beta on what and how it was aquired which brought me to this thread.
To me the footage and movements were to sterile for a film that was trying to portray the era that it was.
HD is great but I do not think this was a film that fully took advantage of its positive attributes.
IMDB state that part of the film was also shot on Super35 (5219). Anyone know what the percentage of film to HD actually worked out to?
cheezweezl
Veteran
there are several articles on this. they only shot film for some slow motion stuff. SPOILER ALERT. namely, the part where dillinger gets shot in the head and falls to the ground. this film was mostly shot on the f23. f900 and ex1 were also used.
as far as the "not quite film" look you are talking about, it was intentional. they wanted "hyper-reality". there is a huge writeup in this months HD Video Pro magazine. check it out.
i don't know if i would call it a cinematic masterpiece but i did like the look the achieved. i would expect to see more of this in the future. instead of always trying to make hd look like film, embracing it for what it is and using it's capabilities to create a whole new aesthetic.
as far as the "not quite film" look you are talking about, it was intentional. they wanted "hyper-reality". there is a huge writeup in this months HD Video Pro magazine. check it out.
i don't know if i would call it a cinematic masterpiece but i did like the look the achieved. i would expect to see more of this in the future. instead of always trying to make hd look like film, embracing it for what it is and using it's capabilities to create a whole new aesthetic.
DEPTH OF PHIL
Well-known member
" instead of always trying to make hd look like film, embracing it for what it is and using it's capabilities to create a whole new aesthetic."
Well said Cheez!
Well said Cheez!