Problem with squeeze mode and calibrating monitor

caheb

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Hello everyone, here is David from france using a PAL dvx100b. I bought the barry green handbook and searched answers through various forums, but still I can't solve my problems and I hope you guys over there could share your thoughts so it can get me on the right way.
First, my purpose is to make short movies (fiction) to be shown on 16:9 tv set and/or video projector. Anarmorphic lens being hard to find and unaffordable for me I chose the squeeze mode. I use sony vegas pro 9 to edit. But when I play my movies (converted to AVI) with VLC on my Phillips Brillance widescreen monitor I have two laterals black bars, I can't get full 16:9, and I don't understand why. So I'm considering shooting in letterbox mode and get 16:9 in post, what do you think, is there other alternatives? Also what do you think about up rez to HD on Vegas ?
Another problem I encounter is to set up my field monitor (jvc tm-h150cg). When on blue check I can't get the 4 blue bars to be equal. Also I don't understand how to set the contrast and brightness with the built in camera color bars, every tutorials I got my hands on (at least a dozen) say that contrast and brightness can be calibrated with pluge bars, but the dvx100 don't display those. So I can't get a proper calibration and every time I process the rushes to my computer I discover they are actually brighter than it was on my monitor during shooting. So I came up to adjust my monitor based on rushes I see on my computer monitor, but it's a painstacking and inaccurate process and I can't take my computer on the set everytime. What should I do? If I turn all the scene file settings to 0 it seems blue check can work, is it true or it's just my imagination? Again I'll be gratefull if you could share your knowledge and experience.
I'm a self taught apprentice filmmaker/camera operator with a fulltime job on the side that has nothing to do with video and filmmaking, and it's been almost a year I try to solve those problems on my own but obviously I failed. So thanks already for the help and please excuse my poor english (hope my message is not full of mistakes)
 
dont use squeeze mode. just put it in regular mode. then in sony vegas hit the crop button and uncheck maintain aspect ratio. then render the video in HD 720-60p YUV under avi. and if you want before rendering you can put ur footage in letter box form by going back to the crop button and selecting 16:9...but make sure you un check maintain aspect ratio. and render in HD 720-60p YUV 1280:720.
here is a sample of what it looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEbI2ZkK1Kw&list=UUNgp0FGvgDaLKH_wwZke1rQ&index=1&feature=plcp make sure you watch it in 720p
 
Hi David, personally I would continue to use squeeze mode - easy to use and looks just great. If Vegas is showing your footage in true 16:9 then your problem is either in the settings you are using for rendering or possibly in the VLC player itself. What are your rendering settings? And do you get the same result if you playback through something other than VLC - Windows Media Player for example?

As for up-rezzing, a lot of people seem to do it, but equally a lot of people argue that there's nothing to be gained. Try it yourself and see if you think it looks better. As far as I'm aware HD 720-60p is not relevant to you in PAL land. Are you shooting progressive footage?

Can't help you with the monitor calibration as I've never done it, but matching your field monitor to your computer screen strikes me as putting the cart before the horse, as your computer screen probably gives you the least reliable representation of colour and brightness. I hope someone with more knowledge of the subject can help you there.

Good luck!
 
dont use squeeze mode. just put it in regular mode. then in sony vegas hit the crop button and uncheck maintain aspect ratio. then render the video in HD 720-60p YUV under avi. and if you want before rendering you can put ur footage in letter box form by going back to the crop button and selecting 16:9...but make sure you un check maintain aspect ratio. and render in HD 720-60p YUV 1280:720.
here is a sample of what it looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEbI2ZkK1Kw&list=UUNgp0FGvgDaLKH_wwZke1rQ&index=1&feature=plcp make sure you watch it in 720p

That looks terrible. It's fuzzy, and has lots of ghosting from where the 60p stream was created from something much less than 60p. Park it on a single frame, especially where you see a close-up of his shoulder, arm, shirt... you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

Why are you converting to 720p60? More importantly, what frame rate are you using to shoot? 24p? 24pA? 30p? 60i (progressive OFF)? None of these will move gracefully to 60p. 60i, maybe, but you still have to run a conversion that duplicates fields in order to make a 60p stream out of a 29.97 source.

Pick your frame rate wisely. For materials intended to hit the Internet, shoot progressive. If you want to get the "film look", shoot 24pA. If you don't, shoot 30p. And when you edit and export, leave it at the same frame rate as the source.

The OP is dealing with PAL, by the way, which runs at 25fps. The equivalent in 720p would be 720p50, but again that's really not going to do much but create nasty artifacts.
 
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Thanks everyone, especially to stephen! Yet I forgot to mention that I always shoot at 25 fps. As for the 16:9 ratio display I put some footage on a usb key and ran it on my widescreen monitor through my blue ray player. Out of three types of render (.avi, .mpeg and .m2ts), only the .m2ts was shown full 16:9, but with less quality than .avi (which is not supported by my BR player -LG BD650), by the way, what is the best rendering on vegas?
Anyway I 'm gonna run some test tonight by shooting footage at 4:3 and crop it, and maybe try some up rez. And some other ideas I have in mind. Again thanks for the share!
 
Thanks everyone, especially to stephen! Yet I forgot to mention that I always shoot at 25 fps. As for the 16:9 ratio display I put some footage on a usb key and ran it on my widescreen monitor through my blue ray player. Out of three types of render (.avi, .mpeg and .m2ts), only the .m2ts was shown full 16:9, but with less quality than .avi (which is not supported by my BR player -LG BD650), by the way, what is the best rendering on vegas?
Anyway I 'm gonna run some test tonight by shooting footage at 4:3 and crop it, and maybe try some up rez. And some other ideas I have in mind. Again thanks for the share!
Good luck and let us know how you get on. I'd still like to know what your settings are when you render out an avi. I suspect that's where your black bars are being generated.
 
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