PP CS4 VS. Vegas

robzoo

robzoo

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I am thinking about switching over from Vegas9 to PP CS4 and was wondering what some GH1 users opinions about CS4 were. I want to be able to incorpoate AE and PS into certain projects, but see a lot of people having issues with AVCHD editing on CS4. I dont want to jump into another NLE if it is going to hinder more than help. Any thoughts or suggestions would be great.
 
And pulldown only applies to 1080. I've found that just dropping 720p 60 into a 24p timeline in Premiere CS4 works fine. That said, CS4 (on a Mac at least) can be finicky if you're doing any dynamic linking between Premiere and AE.
 
ahh, yep, forgot that 720p has no effect on pulldown...err. but i use cineform too. what's your rig? maybe i can compare specs and give you my opinion. i also use cineform for pulldown.
 
is NeoScene really worth $100 ? I'm a newbie to video editing but I do not see any difference between the 1080 60i file from GH1 and the 24p file converted by Neoscene. I have even tried dropping both files in Vegas and rendering a mp4 file and I was unable to distinguish between them. Am I missing anything ?
 
ajamils said:
is NeoScene really worth $100 ? I'm a newbie to video editing but I do not see any difference between the 1080 60i file from GH1 and the 24p file converted by Neoscene. I have even tried dropping both files in Vegas and rendering a mp4 file and I was unable to distinguish between them. Am I missing anything ?
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yes. well, i can't really speak for vegas. but to remove pulldown, cineform is flawless. the editing is smooth too. maybe vegas removes pulldown properly. are talking about the 1080 24p mts files or the 720p 60p? and i'm also on pc. so if you're going off mac, i can't really give an opinion on it's performance.
 
Car3o said:
yes. well, i can't really speak for vegas. but to remove pulldown, cineform is flawless. the editing is smooth too. maybe vegas removes pulldown properly. are talking about the 1080 24p mts files or the 720p 60p? and i'm also on pc. so if you're going off mac, i can't really give an opinion on it's performance.
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I'm on PC too. I've been using Vegas 9 but I got PP CS4 yesterday. As for the video, I'm talking about 1080 24p. I see no difference between raw files from the camera (24p in 60i container) vs the 24p files produced by Neoscene after pulldown removal. That's why I was wondering what's the use of doing the pulldown removal if there is no difference (at least to my eyes) between the two videos.
 
yeah, must be a vegas thing. or maybe you have a magic trick. but premiere pro can't remove pulldown and there's a profound significance between cineform and adobe. then again, are you stepping through it frame by frame? because when i first got some raw gh1 footage exported the files through premiere, it looked fine, sort of, but then i eventually saw repeated and or skipped frames when playing it back.
 
If I'm not mistaken Vegas doesnt actually do pulldown. It has the option to set your time to a 24p but it really only applies to footage you have that has already been pulled ie: through cineform. Vegas automatically turns your footage to a 30p from whatever you have. Vegas loves the converted cineform files, and will probably make your editing process a little smoother.
 
I never said Vegas does pull down. I'm just comparing 60i video vs 24p videos (regardless of the NLE) and I don't see the difference and that is why I was wondering if it was worth spending $100 on Cineform when *visually* the end result is the same.
 
most likely when you stick a 60i file in a 24p timeline and export it, you're not going to see a difference right away. if you scrub through the file after you export it you'll see repeated frames or dropped frames. i noticed it especially in busy situations like cars and people walking. yes, visually cineform is wayyyy better than dropping a 60i file in a 24p timeline.
 
can you actually see the difference in videos (when played back on monitor or TV) between a 60i (24p inside a container) Vs 24p file ? If so, could you please post a link ? I would love to see it because so far I have found zero evidence that would make me interested in spending $100 to convert 60i file to true 24p.
 
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nope. I just sat the 60i avchd file in a 24p timeline. then deinterlaced, exported.
i'm wondering if you're getting a couple of things confused here. the reason for cineform is to extract 24p from the 60i file. if you playback a 60i file then you're going to get 60i. and it'll be nice and smooth, although, it won't look 24p which is the reason for removing pulldown. but if you want 24p from the 60i file, only way to get it is to remove pulldown and get true 24p.
 
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