FS7: PMW FS5 Announced.

Anyone has noticed the artifacts in "Free Spirit" video (the scene with trees)? Because I've watch also the 4K version on youtube and they are still present but little.It could be a problem the XAVC-L codec compression? For Fs7 users is XAVC-L a robust codec?
 
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I've another question, I've read this on a webpage dedicated to FS5 : "The camera comes with an HFR High Frame Rate mode akin to what was introduced in the lower end Sony line this year. You get 120fps recording in full sensor full HD for 16 seconds, 240fps full sensor full HD for 8 seconds." This means that you can't shoot more than 16 seconds or 8 seconds when you do slow-motion?
 
Yes the time is limited..

But 8 seconds at 240 p takes 80 seconds to play back at 24p.. most likely that is super boring in your edit.

8 seconds is plenty of time to film a diver dive, or a bmx jump or a skate trick or a beer pour.. or all the 'usual' slo mo shots

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morgan_moore said:
Yes the time is limited..

But 8 seconds at 240 p takes 80 seconds to play back at 24p.. most likely that is super boring in your edit.

8 seconds is plenty of time to film a diver dive, or a bmx jump or a skate trick or a beer pour.. or all the 'usual' slo mo shots

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Thanks, instead at 200p and 100p (PAL) how many seconds you will be shoot before stops, and how the playback at 25 would be in seconds? Still I don't have understood well if It's the SD Card the problem (also at 256 GB) will be the same?
 
morgan_moore said:
8 seconds is plenty of time to film a diver dive, or a bmx jump or a skate trick or a beer pour.. or all the 'usual' slo mo shots
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That's assuming you know EXACTLY when that 8 second action is going to happen. This slow-mo cache is totally useless for wildlife and most nature shots.
 
You can kind of get around that with a pre-record. That being said, I like not having to worry about it and just let it roll. At the end of the day, your going to have people comparing the fs5 and fs7 on quality alone (just like they do every other camera) and not realizing the importance of camera operation and and feature set that are independant of image quality.
 
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That's assuming you know EXACTLY when that 8 second action is going to happen. This slow-mo cache is totally useless for wildlife and most nature shots.
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If I remember right the FS700 has 'end trigger' which actually not totally useless for non anticipatable action - dont know about the new cam.

Of course having the ability to just roll is a better and more costly option.

But as I said it is a super useful feature for those one off hits - skate tricks, beer pours and the like - certainly puts one in a different place from a canon in the same price class (and some!)

Actually with the FS700 the problem was not with triggering but the time spent writing the clip to the card which can feel like an age on a pressured set.

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morgan_moore said:
If I remember right the FS700 has 'end trigger' which actually not totally useless for non anticipatable action - dont know about the new cam.

Of course having the ability to just roll is a better and more costly option.

But as I said it is a super useful feature for those one off hits - skate tricks, beer pours and the like - certainly puts one in a different place from a canon in the same price class (and some!)

Actually with the FS700 the problem was not with triggering but the time spent writing the clip to the card which can feel like an age on a pressured set.

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+1.

I was using end trigger at a bull riding event once. I believe it would cache 16 seconds at 120fps. there was a buzzer that sounded at 8 seconds, so i knew i had 4 seconds after that to trigger recording to capture the gate opening, the bull bucking, and a little aftermath of either the rider celebrating (rare) or running away from an angry bull (very common).

the idea of overcranking in bursts seems a bit archaic now that the FS7 is so affordable, but it's certainly better than nothing.
 
Doug Jensen said:
That's assuming you know EXACTLY when that 8 second action is going to happen. This slow-mo cache is totally useless for wildlife and most nature shots.
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It's funny you say this, as the 'pre record' cache on the FS700 is one reason
that I use it instead of something like the FS7 for wildlife. For example, I was
shooting some footage of humpback whales bubble feeding, in slow motion.
As you have no idea when they will surface, you can either sit there and have
your FS7 recording constantly, hoping that the whales will surface at some point.....
or you can wait until they surface.....smash back into the water,.... and THEN hit record
on a FS700 and get the previous 8 or 16 seconds. Makes for a lot better experience in
the edit bay. Instead of slogging through 50 minutes of footage (because remember that
would only be 5 or 10 minutes if you are shooting 120 or 240FPS and you will often be out there
shooting much longer than that until you get the money shot)....so instead of a bunch of useless
footage, you wait until the shot happens and then capture it after the fact. I actually wish
the FS7 had the pre record cache on it, as I find it very useful in unpredictable situation like this
and find myself using a FS700 instead of a FS7 for these type of shoots.
 
I agree that's a good argument for the FS700 way of doing things, but I still would prefer continuous 180 fps. I'm in Yellowstone this very minute shooting wildlife with my F55 and FS7 and I can tell you that a 8-second burst would not meet my needs at all. And as far as I know, I don't think that it's even been established that the FS5 will have a post-trigger option. Probably, but who knows. Sony has a way of taking stuff away you'd think would be a no-brainer.
 
Doug Jensen said:
I agree that's a good argument for the FS700 way of doing things, but I still would prefer continuous 180 fps. I'm in Yellowstone this very minute shooting wildlife with my F55 and FS7 and I can tell you that a 8-second burst would not meet my needs at all. And as far as I know, I don't think that it's even been established that the FS5 will have a post-trigger option. Probably, but who knows. Sony has a way of taking stuff away you'd think would be a no-brainer.
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I'm not saying the continuous isn't good for some things either! I'd just prefer both! (I know, I ask for a lot.)
 
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