Panning 'mud', reasons why and firmware update

Searching for Sonny was just a trailer. A ruse to get some interest in a movie that wasnt' actually being shot yet.

But the trailer looked straight. Out of 1000+ videos, though, you'd think there'd be more.
 
Here are some quick links that looked like good candidates. I don't have time to watch them and double check, so some may not belong here. Trailers are narrative work too.

http://vimeo.com/3003034
http://vimeo.com/3519976
http://vimeo.com/4858745
http://vimeo.com/4306916
http://vimeo.com/3793978
http://vimeo.com/4507862
http://vimeo.com/2524785
http://vimeo.com/3261177
http://vimeo.com/4541534
http://vimeo.com/4478609
http://vimeo.com/3449805
http://vimeo.com/4541534
http://vimeo.com/4306916
http://vimeo.com/3374151
http://vimeo.com/4478609
http://vimeo.com/4421963
http://vimeo.com/4656911
http://vimeo.com/4423184
http://vimeo.com/3803529
http://vimeo.com/4923155
http://vimeo.com/4160284
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LSdYOYfpf8&fmt=22

There are many, many more. This is just what I found by skimming a small sample.
 
Daniel L. said:
Where are you looking? Just searched on youtube and vimeo, there are thousands of 5D videos. Easily found ~15 narrative works in just maybe 3 min of looking.
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I know; this claim is nonsense. There are so many clips on there. Why are people so "Lazy" to look for themselves.... I have over 40gigs collected in 8 months.


BTW, what's the difference if its real people talking in front of the 5D or someone reading a script.

Can't you surmise from the footage, an extrapolation of how good a script will play out from that material...

As well your conditions will be controlled on a film location, so you know that what your watching is less than what you'll get in a controlled environment....


I sure can, easily....



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Kholi said:
Searching for Sonny was just a trailer. A ruse to get some interest in a movie that wasnt' actually being shot yet.

But the trailer looked straight. Out of 1000+ videos, though, you'd think there'd be more.
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Can't slag them for that..

They got coverage in a Magazine that sits in every Barns&Noble/Book stores alike; and Magazine stands across the entire country...




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Kholi said:
Searching for Sonny .
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just checked that out. Funny, that would probably have looked better on
the gh1- lol. - cause it looks like the second shot is OOF.

I should ADD:

I'm certainly not knocking them, they obviously pioneered this camera. BRAVO!
but for that shoot, TODAY, I would choose the gh-1.
 
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squig said:
I did there's a spot where she lunges her head forward I froze it there and her head was just a big white blob no detail left at all. anywhere there is movement the codec just falls apart and there is no detail left where the movement is.
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No the codec does not fall apart in every movement. I froze it like 60 times and it looked absolutely fine. Can you screen capture the part you are referring to?
 
Here's a couple of interesting quotes from a comment on the second video from Daniel L.'s list in regards to panning and jerkiness with a Mkii:

"how many ND filters did you have on lenses?
BTW, I am pretty pissed off by this jerkyness myself, no matter what I do in converting the footage I always get some jerky pans."

"I used an ND8 filter coupled with a polarizer at times. The camera will max to 1/125th shutter speed so you have to compensate by shooting smooth and slow at times. That's a big limitation but what to expect for 3k, right?"
 
DiscoDapper said:
Here's a couple of interesting quotes from a comment on the second video from Daniel L.'s list in regards to panning and jerkiness with a Mkii:

"how many ND filters did you have on lenses?
BTW, I am pretty pissed off by this jerkyness myself, no matter what I do in converting the footage I always get some jerky pans."

"I used an ND8 filter coupled with a polarizer at times. The camera will max to 1/125th shutter speed so you have to compensate by shooting smooth and slow at times. That's a big limitation but what to expect for 3k, right?"
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This is "FUD" dude! That is pre-manual control 5D issues he is dealing with. The ISO etc was all over the place before the firmware upgrade a day ago.

Second: The use of ND's is no different then you use on a film shoot..




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PappasArts said:
That is pre-manual control 5D issues he is dealing with. The ISO etc was all over the place before the firmware upgrade a day ago.

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GOOD point. everything we see now has to be taken with a big grain of salt.
Theyre pioneers.

Anything new will be the real deal.
 
stav1606 said:
No the codec does not fall apart in every movement. I froze it like 60 times and it looked absolutely fine. Can you screen capture the part you are referring to?
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it's at 1:55-1:56. but it happens to a lesser extent in every fast motion frame. But I'll say again the punters won't know the difference but I'm highly critical of my work and frame integrity is important to me. Personally I want a digital cinema camera but I don't have the money for a red so I'll struggle with DSLRs until the manufacturers get it right. They are so close. The GH1 is usable and a steal for $1500 but with 24p mjpeg and a higher bit-rate it could be so much more. The fact that Kholi, Hunter, and Bloom haven't tossed it in the bin since the MKII got manual control speaks volumes I think.
 
squig said:
it's at 1:55-1:56. but it happens to a lesser extent in every fast motion frame. But I'll say again the punters won't know the difference but I'm highly critical of my work and frame integrity is important to me. Personally I want a digital cinema camera but I don't have the money for a red so I'll struggle with DSLRs until the manufacturers get it right. They are so close. The GH1 is usable and a steal for $1500 but with 24p mjpeg and a higher bit-rate it could be so much more. The fact that Kholi, Hunter, and Bloom haven't tossed it in the bin since the MKII got manual control speaks volumes I think.
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I'm surprised your not leaning toward the canon then. Check out Bloom's Sophia's
People - where he has RETURNED to the MK2.

It's STARTLING good!

http://www.vimeo.com/4704533

{ not to mention he encodes to vimeo top notch! }
 
squig said:
The fact that Kholi, Hunter, and Bloom haven't tossed it in the bin since the MKII got manual control speaks volumes I think.
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Squig,


However both Kholi and Bloom own 5D's..........

For me the 5D is only a 950 dollar difference before tax.

So that's about a 3 day rental in Orange county for the 5D at Sammy's.


However you could:

Buy the 5D; use it for 120 days to make your film, and then sell it.

You would loose no more then a few hundred, if that in a re-sale..

You are getting the best rental deal in the f-ing world. At 275 a day X 120. That rental would cost you 33,000 thousand dollars. The price of a ( RED )

So Buy the 5D and use it for 120 days to shoot the film, and you got a rental for few hundred bucks. You saved 32,000 + dollars..


What's hard about that choice????

Some advice; if your going to be wearing many hats to make your film; one you need to learn well, is how to think like a producer.
You'll be a lot less broke, and get more out of each dollar or nickel...........



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it's at 1:55-1:56
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I am sorry, but will all due respect that is absolutely laughable. With all the movement, low light, high ISO, etc., etc., one second?, I mean one tiny second ruins the whole thing? My goodnes, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Sorry, but please. The argument about codec breaking should come to a full stop right there.
 
PappasArts said:
Squig,


However both Kholi and Bloom own 5D's..........

For me the 5D is only a 950 dollar difference before tax.

So that's about a 3 day rental in Orange county for the 5D at Sammy's.


However you could:

Buy the 5D; use it for 120 days to make your film, and then sell it.

You would loose no more then a few hundred, if that in a re-sale..

You are getting the best rental deal in the f-ing world. At 275 a day X 120. That rental would cost you 33,000 thousand dollars. The price of a ( RED )

So Buy the 5D and use it for 120 days to shoot the film, and you got a rental for few hundred bucks. You saved 32,000 + dollars..


What's hard about that choice????

Some advice; if your going to be wearing many hats to make your film; one you need to learn well, is how to think like a producer.
You'll be a lot less broke, and get more out of each dollar or nickel...........



Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms


Anamorphic DSLR Lens Test Images... links:
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http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1637705&postcount=84

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The body is a 960 dollar difference before tax. Add Tax and a Lens and you're talking 400 more on top of that.

It's safe to say the MKii takes more than 3200 to match the shooting kit that you get with the GH-1.

But how much did you pay for your MKii, Pappas? Having fun shootin' with it?
 
well I'm actually in the middle of an online chat with a store haggling over a priced on a MKII hehe
 
they're telling me that the pentax k-7 is on order due in 2-7 days. they have no info on the GH1

it's not so much about the money at this point, I have a $1000 stills shoot next weekend and plenty of lenses
 
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