Panning 'mud', reasons why and firmware update

Kholi said:
Barry's got a point, most green screen stuff is locked down. That'll be a test for sure, to see how well it keys.
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thanks. Okay not sure what you mean by " locked down" Im new to this.

Kholi said:
I wouldn't really use anything sub RED, personally,.
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ha! Kholi, as I posted, I had plans to use the BM intensity card with my HV20.

thats not RED budget range - lol.


well the intensity with HV20 puts out 4-2-2- right?

Kholi said:
I'd go for a RED rental or an HVX200A.
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rentals dont work for me. I like to own, and work, on flexible time chunks.

thanks
 
sunburst said:
thanks. Okay not sure what you mean by " locked down" Im new to this.



ha! Kholi, as I posted, I had plans to use the BM intensity card with my HV20.

thats not RED budget range - lol.


well the intensity with HV20 puts out 4-2-2- right?



rentals dont work for me. I like to own, and work, on flexible time chunks.

thanks
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Oh yeah dude, for sure. Please do try it.

Sorry, I'm on pain killers again and I'm just SO out of it.
 
Kholi said:
Nah, not much MJPEG stuff but revisiting that Supersoaker example footage I wish I had! I should have been testing MUCH more but alas, hindsigh is always 20/20.

Also, be careful with the MKii footage you're watching. I have yet to see any break-up in raw material from the MKii. I know it's there, but I can't spot it, not even in a Video of the GF playing Wii Active. =P

I will give the MKii its due on image quality: its outstanding and I can see why people are gravitating toward it like flys on poopish. Can't wait for 24P m'self.
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well the 30p mjpeg is enough to put you off but it's just far more solid and it is a constant bit rate mjpeg yeah?

Have you looked at that Pentax K-7 footage of the baseball kid? The mjpeg handles the motion really well and it's shot with a 200mm lens, it looks handheld but no jello!
 
Hey Kholi, reckon you can put a few seconds of that raw wii footage up on megaupload for me to have a look at? pretty please with sugar on top
 
sunburst said:
rentals dont work for me. I like to own, and work, on flexible time chunks.

thanks
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Kholi,

You don't pay for rentals to stay, however at the end of there use, for them to leave.........

Oooops! Wrong forum..... Wrong Subject.....

We're talking about gear here...... I'll "escort " myself out the door......


:-)
 
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Very tempted to post my own revised list, already typed up too! Based on my own point of view of course... Some would no doubt disagree with me, just as much as I would disagree with them. But that's OK, nowhere does it say we always have to agree with each other.

I look forward to see what people do with the GH1. While it's got very little in common with the 5D, I'm sure it is a very capable camera. In my most humble opinion, there is no alternative to the 5D Mark II in this price range. I will rest my case with that. :)
 
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Daniel L. said:
Very tempted to post my own revised list, already typed up too! Based on my own point of view of course... Some would no doubt disagree with me, just as much as I would disagree with them.

I look forward to see what people do with the GH1. While it's got very little in common with the 5D, I'm sure it is a very capable camera. In my most humble opinion, there is no alternative to the 5D Mark II in this price range. I will rest my case with that. :)
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Daniel,

Post your revised list. All info and personal observations can help others that are trying to decide; and in that research sometimes overlook good info that would bring them to a decision...


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I think you should if you've used both and can offer an hands-on perspective. More than one opinion from someone who's used more than one camera is great! The unfortunate side of not having used both then offering a perspective is that it comes off as defense with no substantial evidence outside of what others have shown. =T

Take into account Philip Bloom and Hunter Richards. Both have used both and can give examples from first hand experience. Philip still thinks the MKii beats out the GH-1 by far and he can site his experiences. Hunter has his own opinion and it's valid, he's had it in his hands. So on and so forth.

I know I'm willing to take up some advice from someone who's hand experience with more than one system.
 
What's really annoying me is whatever cam I choose GH1, MKII, K-7, I'm stuck with 30p because I won't touch AVCHD. Nikon are the only company doing 24p progressive but they're not talking. so frustrating!
 
Squig, as soon as I get some lit stuff that belongs to me from the MKii I'll post. You may not agree, but I think a lot of people have seen enough land, sky and trees from the MKii. It deserves more than just documentary style nature footage at this point. I want to do some lighting etc, so it's worth the effort of posting such large files.

The GH-1 stuff is getting Muzzle Flash Treatments right now and then sound treatment.
 
squig said:
What's really annoying me is whatever cam I choose GH1, MKII, K-7, I'm stuck with 30p because I won't touch AVCHD. Nikon are the only company doing 24p progressive but they're not talking. so frustrating!
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Good point,

Either camera at this time, you only can use 30fps.

However the 24fps is coming for the 5D.



In the mean time you should compare the start point of each camera:

GH1----> 720P @ 30fps ( exclusion of the 1080P since its AVCHD codec from comparison )


5D Mark II 1080P----> Down Convert to --> 720P @ 30fps This down convert will have way better 720P than the start of the GH1. You also have a 1080P master too!

Convert either one to 24fps via the process like the one Phil Bloom highlights on his site.

Just some options....




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Kholi said:
Squig, as soon as I get some lit stuff that belongs to me from the MKii I'll post. You may not agree, but I think a lot of people have seen enough land, sky and trees from the MKii. It deserves more than just documentary style nature footage at this point. I want to do some lighting etc, so it's worth the effort of posting such large files.
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yeah it's interesting the lack of narrative MKII stuff, are we not looking hard enough? There's a couple of features that have been shot with the D90, numerous shorts and tonnes of commercial and creative work. Has the 30p been that stifling? Or are all the creatives too poor for a MKII?
 
Actually, yeah Squig. The MKii might cost like 2800 for a body, maybe 2600 if you find a used one...

But to get started it definitely costs more. You need a lens and a card at the very least, and you're not doing too much with it at that point.

Where-as the D90 and GH-1 both come with Kit lenses and are almost half the price of an MKii.

Soo~ yeah.
 
squig said:
yeah it's interesting the lack of narrative MKII stuff, are we not looking hard enough?
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Where are you looking? Just searched on youtube and vimeo, there are thousands of 5D videos. Easily found ~15 narrative works in just maybe 3 min of looking.
 
squig said:
yeah it's interesting the lack of narrative MKII stuff, are we not looking hard enough? There's a couple of features that have been shot with the D90, numerous shorts and tonnes of commercial and creative work. Has the 30p been that stifling? Or are all the creatives too poor for a MKII?
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The current issue of FIlmMaker Magazine has an article on the filming of " Searching for Sonny" being shot with the 5D. As well it covers two other films using DSLR's HD mode.


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