Panning 'mud', reasons why and firmware update

Ok, a few hours ago I was extremely excited and about to order a PAL GH1, but then I stumbled on this thread and it scared the **** out of me...

Somebody please fill me in; what's the go with all this mud thing?

...I am severely having second thoughts about replacing my JVC GY-HD111E with the GH1 now...
 
Somebody please fill me in; what's the go with all this mud thing?
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Oh boy! Read the entire thread, it is all there in living color. Not much else to say about it really. At the end of the day its a great camera for those that will know how to use properly.
 
John Caballero said:
Oh boy! Read the entire thread, it is all there in living color. Not much else to say about it really. At the end of the day its a great camera for those that will know how to use properly.
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I did read the entire thread cause I was hoping to come across a post that would explain the "mud" as some sort of anomaly, and not a widespread problem. But this is insane. I am dying to love this camera, but with "mud" like this, regardless of if you can use it properly or not, is completely unacceptable.

...man, I knew this camera was too good to be true...

...quick, somebody say something smart and reassure me :P
 
Jean Dantes said:
I did read the entire thread cause I was hoping to come across a post that would explain the "mud" as some sort of anomaly, and not a widespread problem. But this is insane. I am dying to love this camera, but with "mud" like this, regardless of if you can use it properly or not, is completely unacceptable.

...man, I knew this camera was too good to be true...

...quick, somebody say something smart and reassure me :P
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*sigh*

This whole thing has been explained in numerous threads. Go through and research it then decide if it is the camera for you. I think this camera is fine. You just have to know how to shoot it.

...again if this guy can do something great with a freakin' cell phone...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrDxe9gK8Gk

...then the GH1 is fine.
 
Jean Dantes said:
...quick, somebody say something smart and reassure me :P
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It's better than a DVX100+; And a lot of projects, and even one's that went to the big screen were made with that system.

The GH1 is gravy on a great slice of turkey, sitting next to a homemade pie compared to the DVX100.


Does that visual help!

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Nitsuj said:
*sigh*

This whole thing has been explained in numerous threads. Go through and research it then decide if it is the camera for you. I think this camera is fine. You just have to know how to shoot it.

...again if this guy can do something great with a freakin' cell phone...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrDxe9gK8Gk

...then the GH1 is fine.
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I dunno if you noticed, but I've only been a member here for just over 48 hours...

Can you point me in the direction of some of the numerous threads? Or give me a keyword to search? Would be greatly appreciated!

And the GH1 isn't "fine" because some guy won Tropfest with his cell-phone. That guy's film is an entirely diferent ball park and has nothing to do with the GH1. Yes, "story is king". Yes, narrative is more important then cinematography. That guys cell-phone movie is evidence of that. However, that's besides the point here, cause we're not talking about film narrative, we're talking about cinematography. Like I said before, I want to love this camera. I am dying to love this camera. I just wanna know what kind of "mud" I'll be dealing with here.


PappasArts said:
It's better than a DVX100+; And a lot of projects, and even one's that went to the big screen were made with that system.

The GH1 is gravy on a great slice of turkey, sitting next to a homemade pie compared to the DVX100.


Does that visual help!

.
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Yes, that helps lol. I like gravy. I like turkey. And homemade pie is always good. But I don't like mud...
 
Jean, start from the original poster on this same thread and read the whole thing. Its all there. Then move around the other threads. It has been beaten to a pull. Some people were even going to commit suicide over it! Start at the begining of this thread first.

But the only way for you to make certain if the camera is for you is to do your very own testing whenever you can get a hold of one. You can't live thru others.
 
John Caballero said:
Jean, start from the original poster on this same thread and read the whole thing. Its all there. Then move around the other threads. It has been beaten to a pull. Some people were even going to commit suicide over it! Start at the begining of this thread first.

But the only way for you to make certain if the camera is for you is to do your very own testing whenever you can get a hold of one. You can't live thru others.
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Perhaps somebody should create a sticky in regards to this "mud" situation if there are "numerous" threads on it, and if it has been "beaten to a pull"?
 
There is no need for a sticky. Like Barry Green said earlier on this thread: use it like a cinema camera and pan accordingly on 1080p. No crazy whip panning should be applied. I don't know what part of that people don't understand. On the other hand like Barry said, if you have a creative need to do that kind of panning the GH1 is not the camera for you.
 
All the info is in this thread. Just read it over and read all the other threads. I have and so have a lot of others. If you want to know the information is right inside the forums.
 
PappasArts said:
{{{I think what you guys (Kholi, Barry, Illya) are saying is: keep it at 1/60th (1/50th for PAL), keep it steady, ease it into the pans, and in most cases you'll be all right}}}



You know what's funny....

You can't move the GH1 to much cause you'll break the codec. On the 5D you can't move the camera to much cause you introduce skew artifacts....

Either way you can't move these cameras without some issue......LOL


Pick your poison..



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You know, just the other day, I realized the same thing, which instantly took the pi$$ out of arguments about one camera being superior to another in regards to motion. However, using the 60p and 30p modes on the GH1 should lessen the "mud" issue.
 
John Caballero said:
There is no need for a sticky. Like Barry Green said earlier on this thread: use it like a cinema camera and pan accordingly on 1080p. No crazy whip panning should be applied. I don't know what part of that people don't understand. On the other hand like Barry said, if you have a creative need to do that kind of panning the GH1 is not the camera for you.
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Thanks you! A factual reply! Much appreciated!!!

If I may ask, when you say whip panning, do you mean panning at a ultra high speed?

Thank you again!
 
I think some people found vertical streaking in the blue channel? Could this be a reason why the camera is having a hard time when there is a lot of green in the video?
 
killacam said:
I think some people found vertical streaking in the blue channel? Could this be a reason why the camera is having a hard time when there is a lot of green in the video?
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Not sure, but I'm getting similar streaking at low ISOs with the MKii. I think it's just a matter of finding out which ISOs to use and which ones to avoid.

Never thought I'd see the weirdness with the Canon but sure enough is there. These two are a lot alike.
 
ydgmdlu said:
You know, just the other day, I realized the same thing, which instantly took the pi$$ out of arguments about one camera being superior to another in regards to motion. However, using the 60p and 30p modes on the GH1 should lessen the "mud" issue.
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I wonder if this problem is related to the pseudo 24P that the NTSC GH1 is creating? Perhaps the PAL GH1 doesn't suffer from this due to not having to create fake frames via an odd numbered equation (60/24)...
 
Jean Dantes said:
Thanks you! A factual reply! Much appreciated!!!

If I may ask, when you say whip panning, do you mean panning at a ultra high speed?

Thank you again!
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Here I'll even tell you what page this starts to get covered on... 14. Go there and read man. Just read this whole thread.
 
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